I'm in need of some good photos of the nose casting and the casting at the ball cap end of the engine pan as used on the three dip 1911 through 1912 pan. This is for my April(?) of 1912 touring.
Pardon if I am misunderstanding your intent Tod. Those parts are forgings not castings...I would be very concerned if I knew these parts had been replaced with castings.
I would have no concern if they were cast from ductile iron. It is much stronger in tensile strength than grey cast iron (about equal to mild steel) and as the name implies has quite a bit of ductility.
Further the particular application has low stress and virtually no shock loading.
Another option would be to cast them from bronze (talk to the foundry about what alloys they can offer).
You are correct, I am sure they are forgings.
I need photos because I was not able to find a correct pan in time to complete my unscheduled engine rebuild. I am modifying a 15 pan, I already have, to be as close as possible to the correct pan for my 12. Part of that is to make the "forgings" look like the ones on the earlier pan.
Would rather have the correct pan for it but I have a deadline, that is not of my own making, to meet.
Any photos anyone?
Thank you Phil! That's what I needed.
With that, and some other changes, I should be able to get the pan pretty close cosmetically.
I sure wish you were closer to me! I have a '12 pan that is likely to wind up under my '15. It is in fair condition, having been extensively repaired, welded and straightened and still suffering from a little excessive rust. More work could be done if someone wanted (or had the resources) to spend the time to braze gussets across some of the welds or had a proper pan jig. It is better than the one I have put into my early '13, but can never be as strong as one that did not require so much work to repair. I have no fears for using it however would consider a trade to make two cars more correct, but the shipping for two pans would be nearly the cost to buy a decent one if you could find it. I gave $125 for mine, before the repairs.
Good luck with the finagle! I may try bit later to get a few pictures of mine as a guide if it could help. (My camera is dying and only works sometimes). The big difference is the much larger drain sump. About a "cup" size with the threaded drain on the bottom.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
I wish you were closer also. It sounds like some kind of trade would have been a win win situation here. Would rather have the correct pan than have to modify an otherwise good 15 pan. Doing this was not my first choice.
Wayne & Tod
You could take in the fall tour in Colorado and meet Dave,do your swap and maybe find some more parts at Dave's, Just a though.
I would love to do Dave's tour! But it isn't in my cards this year. Maybe by next year I can get some things straightened out. But that won't help Tod W now. My pan is not great. I would want him to look it over before any trade was done. Otherwise, I would prefer to see two cars get the right part. I have in the past considered making a narrow nose pan out of a common later pan. I could do that. But I needed two early pans for my planned projects, and found two. Both late '12s.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2