Running Board tool boxes

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: Running Board tool boxes
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 10:36 am:

I always assumed that running board tool boxes were for Model T touring cars, Fordors and Tudors that had no trunk for storing tools and supplies. I figured they were not really meant for coupes like mine with a big trunk in which to store parts supplies and tools and that it would be redundant to place a toolbox on the running board with all the trunk space I have, but I did, however, need a toolbox for all the Model T tools I have and last night, came across a 22"L x 9"W x 7"H Model T running board toolbox that I thought had a very reasonable "Buy it Now" price of $70.00 for my tools which I will keep in the trunk. Was $70.00 a decent price to pay for this? I thought it looked to be in great shape for a 90 year old toolbox with the original black paint. Jim Patrick




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 10:57 am:

Those are popular. I used to have mine mounted on the left (traffic) side, until one time I was stopped at the side of a busy road. The curb side is much safer, as that small part you need is always at the bottom.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keith g barrier on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 10:58 am:

Jim, looks good and if you are happy, that's what counts. I have bought some cheaper but they required a lot of work. KB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 11:02 am:

Howdy Jim, I buy running board tool box's at swap meets when I find them and pay $10 to $35 for them in good restore-able condition. I don't think $70 is a bad price if you want one to mount on your car.

This is just a few that I've hauled home over the years.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 11:16 am:

Wow Jay. That's quite a collection! Maybe you can post some pictures, descriptions and measurements of the authentic Model T era boxes just as you have, your accessories, to educate us on the variety of Model T era toolboxes that are out there and available for properly storing our Model T tools. Thank you. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 12:47 pm:

Jay,

You have cornered the market on tool boxes, now I know why they are so expensive.

Ted


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 01:24 pm:

I bought this one on ebay from Mike Peterson for the Tudor.
Closed cars don't have room to store anything and this is the perfect solution........ :-)

Tudor toolbox


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 01:47 pm:

Thank you Craig. It is really cool that the bottom is curved the same radius as the fender. Was your box made to be used exclusively for the 26'-'27 Model T? The one I bought is 7" tall, which, I assume is low enough so that it will not be hit by the door. Does your door ever hit the box or does the door strap stop it in time?? Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 01:51 pm:

PS. If a box like mine were mounted on the running board of a Fordor in front of the rear door would passengers simply step on top of the box to enter the rear compartment? I notice mine is slightly domed on top. Was this a form of reinforcement for this purpose?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 01:54 pm:

The door strap stops it just in time...... LOL
Here's a better photo.

toolbox


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 01:59 pm:

Thanks Craig. That is a unique and outstanding tool box. I've never seen one like it! Does it have any identifying marks or manufacturer? Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 02:03 pm:

Jim.....Fordors are cars all to their own......I thought I needed a closed 4 passenger car and had a '25 Fordor for a little while.
After I bought the '27 Tudor, mainly because it's closer to the ground and much easier for my wife to get in and out of (AND I wanted an Improved Car anyway), I wondered what the heck Henry had against front seat passengers in the Fordors!
I can't see that there's any way to mount a running board tool box on a Fordor without making one door unusable........there isn't room for anything...... :-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 02:06 pm:

Jim, mine is obviously "home made" of quite heavy galvanized steel and I have never seen another like it.
I think someone missed the boat by not manufacturing these in the day.
I think any DECENT HVAC sheet metal person could make one if you provided a template to get the curve just right....... :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 02:11 pm:

A few last words.......if someone were to manufacture these I think they'd sell like crazy.
The only thing I would do differently is shorten it up so the rear wall would end at the running board joint.
It would still have plenty of room for a nice stash of tools and such.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John B Joyce on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 02:22 pm:

line the inside with an old piece of carpet for a quieter ride. John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 02:24 pm:

That looks like a Peerless Box although on the the one I had the name was pressed into the lid. There was so much paint on it that I didn't know it was there until I stripped it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 04:12 pm:

Craig, I agree your running board box would sell well if someone would offer them to fit various front fender sweeps.

Here's a fairly similar running board box that has a shorter sweep and opens on the short side of the box. It also has a lift out tray.




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Coiro on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 05:45 pm:

These boxes are great, especially for Tourings because they make for such easy-to-get-at storage—of which this body style suffers from a shortage. Yeah, the big, seldom-used things like inner-tubes and tire irons can go in the rear-seat storage compartment, but for me, it would be a pain in the neck to have to go digging in back there for my everyday stuff—things like the oil can, clean rags, roll of paper towels, my reading glasses and cell-phone.

It took years to hunt down three running-board boxes (in three sizes) that were repairable and even these looked like they'd been pulled out of a landfill. All had dents, perforation rust and non-functioning key-locks. And of course, they all needed to be sandblasted, primed and painted.

So why go to the trouble of fixing all that stuff?
Because running-board toolboxes in presentable condition no longer exist—at least not at reasonable prices. Twenty years ago, these things were going for five bucks at neighborhood garage sales.



But not any more. Two years ago, this little battery box (the rarest size) was a piece of rusted-out junk that cost me $180—and that was before I invested in what it needed to become presentable. When a rust-bucket can command that kind of money, it's safe to say there'd be a significant demand for new units (hint-hint).

I remember seeing one in mint condition—with two keys!—at Hershey. The vendor had only just placed it on his table and I was in perfect position to strike, but before I could pull out my wallet, some younger, faster gun out-drew me and descended upon it like an owl on a field-mouse. The price was firm and Jesse James paid $275 for the slick, little beauty.

Man, there's a completely untapped market out there!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Coiro on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 05:46 pm:

(Hint! Hint! Hint!)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 06:20 pm:

Calling John Regan....... :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 06:37 pm:

Craig, I was thinking the same thing. :-)

Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willie K Cordes on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 06:42 pm:

Jim, I thought you were the person that liked an open running board, no step plates etc. Now maybe a tool box, WOW


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 06:44 pm:

LOL Bob and Stephen........sent John a message....... :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 09:10 pm:

I looked at that box on Ebay before Jim bought it and did give it a thought, but I have one just like it, minus the hasps and they are available from Restoration Supply, so I passed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 09:19 pm:

I do Willie. Re-read my post. It will be used to hold my tools and will be going in my trunk. As I said. There is no need for a running board toolbox on a coupe with a sizable trunk.

Terry. Thanks for passing. I'm looking forward to its' arrival as I have a lot of tools to go in it. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 09:41 pm:

I don't have as many tool boxes as Jay, but most of the few I have were pretty cheap due to luck. While I paid $5, $6, and up to $30, that $70 isn't out of line with many I've seen for sale.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 09:50 pm:

It just dawned me if the geometry was close enough (I'm too lazy to make a template tonight) there could be a heck of a Model A market too....... :-)
I carry a small plastic toolbox in my Tudor A......I'd rather keep that stuff somewhere else.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug Money - Braidwood, IL on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 11:22 pm:

Here is a different one that was on my car when I bought it. It is hard to see but it is curved on the bottom to follow the curve of the fender.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 11:29 pm:

Doug, Looks similar to the box I posted here. Which side does your box hinge from?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug Money - Braidwood, IL on Tuesday, August 20, 2013 - 12:55 am:

Hinges from the fender or front side. Never have to worry about it opening. It is heavy and the wind keeps it shut.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug Money - Braidwood, IL on Tuesday, August 20, 2013 - 12:56 am:

Jay, mine is squared and there is a corrugated rubber pad on top secured by the bright metal trim(aluminum?).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Kable on Tuesday, August 20, 2013 - 02:07 am:

Gee, those prices have gone up in 1992 I purchased a pair of E&J 1912 repo brass lights at Hershey and the guy on the next stall gave me one of those boxes to pack the lights in to bring them home.

It would be real easy to alter a normal box to fit the front guard and you would have the right shaped lid, those rounded corners add a lot of work to making one. A lot cheaper than making one from scratch.

Jay, maybe you need to get to work on couple of your stash with tin snips.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 - 08:03 pm:

My toolbox arrived in the mail today and it is fantastic. Nicer than I could have imagined. It holds all of my tools, including the jack in a sturdy container from the Model T era and keeps them from sliding all over the trunk. Now, to find a good way to secure the toolbox in the trunk without drilling holes, I will put carpet in the bottom of the box as John B. Joyce suggested earlier in the thread. Thanks for the suggestion John and thanks to everyone for making this an interesting and educational thread. :-) Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 - 08:07 pm:

Glad to hear your T-bay purchase worked out well. I have a weakness for running board box's myself.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Dufault on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 - 08:22 pm:

We noticed !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 - 08:28 pm:

Jay, you have a weakness for accessories of all kind, thank goodness. We have all benefitted from the pictures of them you have posted over the years. You once gave us a running count of all the accessory photos you posted. What is the count? I seem to recall it was several hundred. Jim Patrick

PS. I still think you should publish a photo book of all your accessories like Bruce McCalleys "Model T. The Car That Changed the World".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Ida Fls on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 - 08:31 pm:



I guess my favorite is a battery box. It has an aluminum pyramid inset. I can't tell if Jay's is aluminum or white rubber. It has a hole in the bottom big enough for a cable. Funny place for a cable. The latch looks like it uses a gas light Knob.

Rich


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willard Revaz on Sunday, September 01, 2013 - 06:34 pm:

Anybody have a key that fits these latch-type boxes? I have tried making one but it still needs quite a bit of wiggling. Haven't got the right hills and valleys and depth correct. The latching mechanism appears to be the same for several boxes. I would hate to drill holes and mount a modern padlock type locking plate, but realize the need for some type of security given the array of tools and parts one could carry in such a large box. How about posting pictures next to a scale for the proper dimension? Many thanks!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Grady L Puryear on Monday, September 02, 2013 - 09:43 am:

Friend of mine here drove his car and a friends to California some years back, his Wife followed with a trailer and I think another engine. Anyway, he built pull out tray tool boxes for both sides of his car, did a very neat job of it, and hardly noticeable when closed up. If anyone is interested I can put you in touch with him, it is a good idea for something like that trip, one can store a world of stuff in there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Cheatham on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 - 03:30 pm:

Where can I possibly get a key for the lock on the very same box that started out this discussion. I just got the Running Board Box at an antique mart but there was no key. I would like to use it on my car after restoring it. Can anyone help me. I do not even know the maker, only that it is identical to the box with the round integrated lock at the top. Thank you for any leads.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 - 05:27 pm:

I took one to a locksmith and he made some keys for it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keith g barrier on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 - 07:23 pm:

Dan, I'm bad about buying bunches of old keys at the flea market, and have found a couple that worked in boxes I have. They are simple locks and easy really to make a key for. KGB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 - 08:44 pm:

Dan, I took mine to a lock smith and had 2 made.

Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Mantorville, MN on Sunday, December 15, 2013 - 09:08 am:

Has anyone seen one like this before? :-)





Inside the lid


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Eyssen - Abilene TX on Sunday, December 15, 2013 - 05:57 pm:

Grady: I would like to know what type of mounting was used on the pull out trays, and how the trays were fabbed.

Royce: If you are on the Forum; do you remember how Ralph Z had his under running board boxes made? I think they were on the Paddy Wagon.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Sunday, December 15, 2013 - 06:39 pm:

Jim, Actually these boxes do have a place on a Coupe. On my 25, which I think has the biggest trunk of any of the coupes: I mounted one of these tool boxes on the running board before I drove it from NY to a weeks vacation in Maine. If you're going on a long trip and the trunk is full, the tool box on the running board is very handy.
Derek, That has to be the ultimate tool box. I might have to see if I can make one up.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Menzies on Monday, December 16, 2013 - 12:46 am:

Try Mink's Emporium for antique keys.


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