ID 1913-14 Carbide Generator - what make?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Thursday, August 22, 2013 - 05:20 pm:

I picked up a carbide generator this morning.

Four cast lugs are soldered to the base at the mounting holes to slightly elevate it above the running board.

What brand is it?

Also - for which years is it correct? 1913, 1914 or both?

(I haven't studied the 1913 and 1914 generators enough to ID them off the top of my head.)

Thank you.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kim Dobbins on Thursday, August 22, 2013 - 05:42 pm:

Its a victor, correct for 13-14. Very nice! excellent find, looks NOS.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Thursday, August 22, 2013 - 07:26 pm:

That is a nice one. I have an NOS Corcoran one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Thursday, August 22, 2013 - 07:31 pm:

Thanks Kim.

(I always keep some inventory on hand for cousin Ken.)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Greg Griffin on Friday, August 23, 2013 - 12:06 am:

I have one of these that is missing the brass valve assembly from the top of the water tank. Does anyone have that valve & brass disc to sell?

Thanks. Greg


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Henrichs on Saturday, August 24, 2013 - 03:42 am:

Can anyone post pictures and ID of the other 1913-1914 carbide tanks (John Brown, E&J, Corcoran)? I'm trying to identify some I have and match to the lights. Thanks in advance.
Dennis


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Saturday, August 24, 2013 - 05:23 am:

Dennis, from the encyclopedia:
http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/I-O.htm#lamps
"The generator was not necessarily the same brand as the lamps on any one car."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R.V. Anderson on Saturday, August 24, 2013 - 10:23 am:

I could well be wrong, but my understanding is that the generator and headlamps would usually match, since the generator was supplied with the headlamps as a set. Side and tail lamps were also supplied in sets, but separately, so the headlamps/generator didn't necessarily match them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Saturday, August 24, 2013 - 10:35 am:

I agree with what RV says. However, unless you are going in for some super critical judged show car restoration (Stynoski or AACA) I would use any generator that was period correct and owned by me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Henrichs on Sunday, August 25, 2013 - 01:16 am:

Hi Guys,

Thanks for the info on matching the lights and carbide tank. I would really like identified photos of the various makes of tanks mainly to extend my knowledge (it's one issue I never could find any info on over the years). Royce, I agree it isn't important unless the car is judged but I'm my worst critic as to getting everything as correct as possible. Besides I have enough 1913 14 lights and carbide tanks to match up whatever set I wish to use. Still hope to find some pics of the tanks. Thanks again,

Dennis


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Sunday, August 25, 2013 - 11:51 am:

Here's a 1913 - 14 Corcoran carbide tank:





Here it is working:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R.V. Anderson on Sunday, August 25, 2013 - 02:29 pm:

Royce, is there anything specific on the tank that identifies it as a Corcoran? Brown and Corcoran look identical, and used some of the same parts according to Ford parts lists, but apparently they were distinguishable since apparently not all parts were shared.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Sunday, August 25, 2013 - 04:48 pm:

RV,

Not sure. I know the '14 touring has a Brown that is nearly identical, and the cap actually says Brown on it. I don't recall if the Corcoran generator does. I bought it NOS and it had Corcoran instructions inside. Perhaps if Constantine reads this he can take a look?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R.V. Anderson on Sunday, August 25, 2013 - 04:58 pm:

I have a couple of this type; neither has any identification on it. I've always thought that the two were practically identical but according to the parts books there are some differences.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Sunday, August 25, 2013 - 06:25 pm:

I know Victor, Corcoran and Brown all became the same company by 1920 in various mergers. I wonder if they traded parts prior to that time?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R.V. Anderson on Sunday, August 25, 2013 - 08:15 pm:

It's certainly possible. Heinze and Jacobson-Brandow coil boxes share several identical parts; I'm sure that they used the same supplier(s). Maybe the generators do the same.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Henrichs on Monday, August 26, 2013 - 05:13 pm:

Royce,
Thanks for posting the pictures of the Corcoran tank. Matches one that I have.

R.V.,
Thanks also for the further info on the Corcoran vs. J.W. Brown tanks. I have two of these but can't see any difference in the parts. (more mysterious questions to be answered!).

I'm also under the impression that the E&J looked a lot like the Victor with the loop type adjuster on the top. Don't know if that is right; heard it many years ago. Thanks again for the help.

Dennis


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