Hi I am looking for a local person to install 2 tube liners and tubes on my 1922 depot hack rims. In the duxbury area of mass(south shore) any assistance with recomendation is appreciated
Just put them on your bare rims, and you're done.
flaps or liners?
If you have some of those split snap ring wheels that want to kill you, I'd hire it done. But presumably a '22 has clinchers. Unless some health problem stops you, those are a DIY job. Just set the tires out in the sun to warm up first.
Remove tire. Put new tube in tire. Put some air in tube to make it straightens out. Remove most of air. Put flap in tire next. Put some air in tube again to make sure all is straight. Remove most of air. Then install all three on the rim. Put maybe 20 lbs air in tire and make sure it is on the rim correctly. Bounce it up and down going all the way around the tire to help get everything situated. I usually remove air and do this again. Then pump up to 55-70 lbs and mount on car.
I would do like Robert says except that I would leave the flap out and wrap the rim with two layers of duct tape.
I wondered what happnd to Red Green!! With a grin Bud.
Would someone be so kind to explain just why would you use duct tape wrapped around the inside of the rim ??? Certainly not for a clincher rim !
I can understand it being used as a "rim strip" for drop center wheels if one is too thrifty to spring for a rubber one (a couple $'s) but duct tape, really ???
The flap is to prevent a tire iron, if used, from pinching the tube - I've been using flaps on clinchers for better than 25 years now and have yet to pinch a tube !
Duct tape protects the tube from a rough clincher rim surface. Flaps are not needed on a Ford clincher rim. Many use them and like them. Ford never used them.
I mentioned that I used duct tape in the rims on this forum last year and I was flamed so bad.....
I have since seen that it does not last many years and it dries out and turns to trash.
use a flap or nothing if the rims don't have sharp things that could wear through a tube in a few years. heck them carefully.
A pretty sharp guy from downunder has posted in the past that he uses bicycle tubes for rim liners. I thought that was pretty smart, and got a few cheapo tubes that I cut to fit in the rim of my Simplex wires wheels. Seems to work well so far.
That's B.S. Ted !
David, it looks like you didn't get a very sympathetic hearing on this forum, is there a medical condition that makes it impossible for you to mount your own tires, or is it a case of never having done it before?
I'm in Missouri, so I can't be of much help, but hopefully you'll find someone who can either do the work for you or help you through it if you want to try it yourself.
It's amazing to me, the number of people that still don't know the difference between a rim liner, and a flap!
Lets clear this up.
A rim liner goes around the rim itself and is usually only used for wire wheels. If you want to use duct tape instead, that should work fine. It would cover a slightly wider area.
A rim flap is used in a clincher tire between the tire and the inner tube. It protects the tube from getting pinched and worn by the tire. A flap has nothing to do with the rim.
David, Looks like you have a club nearby where you could ask for a hand in mounting your tires.
Old Colony Model T Club
c/o Ann Stafford
130 Old Oaken Bucket Rd.
Scituate, MA 02066-4435
Here are a couple of pictures to hopefully clear things up:
Rim Liner (bicycle rim shown)
I couldn't find a good picture of a flap, so here is a link to a Coker tire video on how to install a flap:
Well, Steve, looks like we have another flap flap. Ford did not use any flaps on clinchers as stated above. If one likes to use a flap, then he or she should do it.
I think any sympathetic tire shop should be able to manually mount a clincher tire and tube with or without a flap. If its a Firestone tire, warming it up in the sun first will make it easier. Mounting tires is not rocket science.
Will duct tape or a rim liner stop the liteweight tube from trying to creep under the inside tire bead?? Will duct tape,bicycle tube,or rim liner keep you from pinching a tube??Bud.
after you contact Old Colony Model T Club for help, please let us know how you made out. I see this was your first post and have gotten more advice than help, so hopefully someone from that club can arrange to meet with you and see what the issue is. Best of luck.
Thanks for the "back up" explanation, Dave.
I'm guessing at the actual number of clincher tires I've mounted over the last 25 years without pulling records but it has to be near 50 to 60 +.
Most tire shops here in Washington State won't touch a high pressure clincher tire !
I can't see that Ted said anything even controversial - Ford never used a single flap in all Model T production. And indeed, duct tape is a good idea unless the rims are perfectly smooth.
In this picture you can see me removing a 55 year old Wards Riverside tire with duct tape on the rim and no flap. The tire was hard as concrete and I was afraid it would shatter.
To add to Royce's post:
Tire flaps weren't used in clinchers regardless of make of automobile - Fords and non-Fords.
I'm looking at a 96 page 1913 Model T accessory catalog from Northwestern Automobile Co. in Minneapolis. Not one single flap in the tire and tire sundries section.
Likewise, I'm also looking at a brass era Automobile Tools and Accessories catalog from Janney, Semple, Hill & Co., also in Minneapolis. 256 pages and absolutely no tire flaps listed in this catalog.
I can't find any information on flaps in my 1917 edition of Dyke's.
The only place I've seen flaps is in later Western Auto catalogs. (There are a lot of things that a person doesn't need in a Western Auto catalog.) They were advertised as a remedy for rough rims, not to minimize tube/casing chafing.
PS: nobody ever mentions tire talc or tire mica (to minimize chafing between the tire casing and tube)
I like um 'cause I don't have to be as careful with the tube when installing the tire. Never had them in 1945 though.
Royce that hammer ain't near heavy enough.
BTW, I didn't read this whole thread.
David, Wish you were closer to Sacramento, I'd love to help...been doing it forever.
Flaps or not to flap....
Hey use them or don't, your choice. Over the years I have pinched tubes on mounting clinchers, when used flaps, no pinched tubes, worry free install. And longer tube and tire life, esp since todays tubes are so frail.
Old time adv for flaps:
As found in an old tire I removed, this old hard clincher tire was fitted in the days with a flap.
this one I removed.
and you can find them from time to time in old clincher mounted tires.
(older forum picture post of flap, tube and tire in cross section)
Dykes (1923) mentions to use flaps, and really are needed in split rims, as the rim section that is open has a gap that can abrade a tube quickly.
So....I use flaps in clincher and split rims.
Tube going in with flap over it for protection of the tube.
Glad to see some in the Model T community have embraced "the handyman's secret weapon" - Red Green
On my list of favorite television programs !
Is it still on? I used to love watching that show!
I just wish his nephew WASN'T named Harold!
I cut off the top half of an old inner tube