Correct 1915 floor board?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: Correct 1915 floor board?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - 06:00 pm:


This car came with the wrong dash shield, which you can see sticking out on both ends of the coil box.


The top floor board has a cutout to fit against the dash shield.

I assume that when I make the new board to fit the 1915 dash shield I made, it should be straight across the top. Just checking to make sure I'm right about that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff Hood on Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - 07:08 pm:

I think you will still need a small cutout around the cylinder head, at least mine does, but then again I have a 1926 engine with a high head in my '15.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 01:50 am:

And the 1915 pedal trim plates are flat, not crimped down into the slots.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 01:51 am:

And the carburetor adjusted knob should have a black steel escutcheon plate


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 05:04 am:

Steve, is that a steering column with the open tube to take two horn wires I see? Our Canadian sourced cars had a single wire round tube for the magneto horn. I'm not being picky, jut curious about any differences between US and our cars.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 07:14 am:

Caution thread drift to USA vs Canadian horn wire tubes

Allan,

Steve’s 1915 is great fun car but like many Model Ts (including all of the ones I own) it has parts from several years. Steve knew that when he purchased the car and figured that into the cost vs fun value. That is the later USA tube introduce for use with the combination light switch and horn.

Below is typical 1915-16 USA tube for the horn wire. It was provided by Bill Elliot and from his T [1916 model year produced Nov – Dec 1915 time frame.




From the Encyclopedia at: http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/S-T.htm#steer Bruce has:
The horn wire tube was adopted on January 29, 1915 but it wasn’t until October 8, 1915 that this tube was adopted for all production.
Factory blueprint, dated February 26, 1916, indicates that the horn wire [tube] was changed from a tube to a steel stamping, welded to the column.

The wire tube was made larger to accept light wires. In late 1917 the horn button was now a two-function type with fluted sides. Turning it operated the lights. The button now mounted in a housing on the left side of the column, where it remained for the remainder of Model T production.
The above implies to me that there might have been a horn wire stamping that was smaller than the one found on the late 1917 to 1927 Ts that was used between the small tube on the 1915-16 and the later larger channel on the 1918-1927 cars [I haven’t checked – when the combination horn switch went away – did Henry save money by making a smaller channel for the horn wire? I am GUESSING he just continued the same design – but he did like to save money. Anyone know which way that went?] . Or something else may have happened. But I suspect the new larger channel that was designed in Feb 26, 1916 was not placed into production use until it was needed or a just a little bit before the combination light and horn switch came out. Rationale for that thought: Gail Rodda in his Model T Ford parts Identification Guide Vol 2 page 35 addresses the steering columns & steering gear assembly. He notes the tube style used from around mid year 1915 production to 1917 and then the channel style introduced with the combination horn & light switch.

Allan – from what I have seen so far, I believe the Canadian cars introduced the electric horn later than the USA cars. From memory in the Canadian Price List of Parts the electric horn parts are not listed for the 1915. Do you know when Canada production switched from the small tube to a larger channel for the horn wire?

Like you I am also trying to document differences between the USA and Canadian production.

Steve – I did look for a photo/reference on the 1915 floorboards but so far I have not found a good one to post, or I would have posted it.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 08:56 am:

I have a small-tube steering column with the 15-17 horn button which eventually will find its way into the car. The immediate goal is just to get the car back together and usable.

Floor boards are pretty easy. For now I'll just make one to fit. If I find out later that it's wrong I can make another one.

Keith, thanks for the reminder on the other parts. I didn't know about the escutcheon plate, but I think I may have the correct pedal trim somewhere.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 12:39 pm:

Steve,I have an extra plate for the carb rod. Send me your mailing address and I'll send it to you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 03:25 pm:

Steve,

Sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner. I was in Minneapolis for the week...the '15 was under the covers back home. Got back at noon...pulled the covers back.

I can't certify that these are original other than say think so and the '15 has not been molested and always seems to pass muster with even the most fanatic boo-bird :-)

No cut out at the dash shield, but...it is under cut milled.....



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 03:26 pm:

why is it everyone else can string pix...I always get only 2 :-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 03:35 pm:

Danged digitals with no depth of field! Here's a markup of the last photo....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 03:41 pm:

And to be funny...as to floor finish and the other thread?

Like that stone look on my garage floor in the above pix?

THAT's a proprietary finish...what a plain hard trowel finish concrete floor looks like after near 30 years and a whole bunch of T's :-):-):-):-):-):-)

Yeah,,,, thread drift...I know...you can have it back :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 04:41 pm:

I Have only seen a few 1915 fords with light switches like the one pictured on Steve's dash.


Most of them look like this.


Does someone know the story behind the difference??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 05:30 pm:

Jay -- I have the Record of Changes on the light switch, and that type is shown on some of the drawings. I don't remember exactly when it was specified.

We're remodeling our kitchen just now, so all my "stuff" is under piles of other stuff at the moment. When I'm able to dig out those drawings, I'll report back.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 05:39 pm:

Thanks Mike!


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