Left home this morning (11:00 Central) and just checked into the Hotel in Dearborn. I intended to stay somewhere along the way, but as traffic thinned out the going became easier. I'm glad I came through Detroit at 1:00 a.m., with almost no traffic (pulling a long trailer in Detroit in morning traffic didn't seem like a good idea).
Now I get a day at the Library (Tuesday) and a day to try to clean a dirty car.
See you in Detroit,
I’m glad you made it safe. Please say "hi" to folks for all of us that wish we were there also. Best of luck to you and others on the tour. When you have a chance please post some photos of those beautiful cars!
Also if you or one of the other tour participants has time, please take a look at the later model cars -- the 1908 versions and let me know if the frame rails have all the holes pre-stamped (like drilled but made when the side rail was stamped) for the Model N Runabout step plate; Model S Runabout running board brackets (approximately 24 inches apart center to center) and the Model S Roadster running board brackets (approximately 15 inches apart center to center). I suspect the Model S Runabout and Model S Roadster share the same rear running board bracket location and if so – then there would be four mounting areas on each side and the appropriate step plate or running board bracket would be installed in the appropriate location. Then that frame would be used for the appropriate body so the step plate or running boards and fenders mounted correctly.
In 1907 Ford filled the empty holes with rivets. I suspect that was done to make the car frame that was exposed on all the models except the Model S Roadster appear more finished. I would like to confirm or correct my assumption that he continued to do that into the 1908 production.
Additional details added just because we ran across them again – the Model R Runabout and Model S Runabouts used the same fenders and running boards. On those models the running board brackets were spaced 24 inches on center on the frame. The Model S Roadster used a smaller running board and the distance between the running board brackets was approximately 15 inches.
Again, have a great time on the tour.
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Rob,Hope to see you friday at the early regs! Bud.
I believe I've seen the "rivet finished" holes on 1908 S cars. I'll check and report.
Hope to see you, and many others at my first OCF.
I spent the entire day at the library, and must go back tomorrow to pick up a few things. Absolutely amazing! I was going through 1902 - 1906 checks written by Henry Ford (no, no joke on this). Absolutely amazing hands on historical info...
I'll start another thread on some "new" 1906-1909 production info.
Rob (happy as a pig in slop) from Detroit
This is the frame from an NRS chassis I found in a scrap pile in rural Oklahoma. From the running board brackets one can assume the car was either a Model R or a Model S Runabout. The brackets are 24" apart. The riveted trio of holes is 15" from the rear bracket and would have been used had the car been a Model S Roadster, if I understand correctly. Would this frame have been one of the 1908's you are looking for?
Great save! With the current scrap metal prices that frame could have easily been melted down and gone forever. Note, from the photos posted I believe that frame could have been used for a 1907 Model R Runabout or 1907-1908 Model S Runabout – based on the 24 inch spacing of the running board brackets. Below is a comparison to my Oct 1907 Model S Runabout frame in the same area. I used your photo that had the engine on the right side of the photo. The other photo would have the engine on the left side. You can see how they line up (or are close to being lined up – I never could get the computer to cooperate!).
I tried to check Dave Dunlavy’s photos he previously had posted of his Model S Roadster restoration. But those have been reduced in number or I missed where they are located (that happens). What I am trying to figure out is, did Ford use the step plate holes that were used to mount the step plate on the Model N Runabouts as the holes for the front running board bracket when the Model S Roadster body would be installed on a chassis? I think the answer to that is yes. But I’m trying to make sure before I add that to my notes. Any 1906-1908 frame can be slightly modified and work on the other years. For example an later frame can have the running board bracket holes filled in and it looks like the earlier 1906 frame.
Thank you so much for posting the photos. Recommend you check out the Early Ford Registry as it looks like you could start building a Model R Runabout or Model S Runabout without modifying the frame. Nice NRS,SR rear axle also!
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