Looks like late 1914. E&J sidelites have riveted on brackets rather than separate castings. Front fenders are very late 14 or 1915. Interesting also that the headlites are both passenger side. (I was under the impression that pairs were supplied--both opening to the outside of the car?). If I'm wrong on the year of the car, the people are either too young or too old to be in the picture. :-)
Is that a type of shock system on the front axle with the cylinders?
I guess they don't know how to get in it so they ride on the running boards.
E&J headlights originally were all hinged on the same side. When people restore them they often make them rights and lefts incorrectly.
Almost looks like a picture right outa the dust bowl. And looks like they've had a rough life, but then, who knows. Sometimes we take for granted how easy we have it, even when we're having problems with our beloved cars.
The shine on the hubcaps and clean underside of fenders and clean axle tells me it is a new Ford. How proud they must have been of it. Probably their first car.
Those are KW shocks on the front.
I could be wrong, but from what I've seen, gas headlamps in general but especially the black and brass ones could have come on a car either in pairs or two the same. It makes sense; with the workers rushing to get 'em out the door no one was probably bothering to notice which side the hinge was on.
Thanks for the clarification on which way the headlight doors open. Is this also true for the other brands (Brown, Victor, Corcoran)?
I would mention that those type front shocks look great! But I would not use them on a car I was going to drive much. The way they hang from such a high point reduces the stability of the front suspension on a front end that is only marginally stable to begin with. An added brace or later type wishbone would help, but since the shocks are made for the early wishbone to begin with, options are limited. I still wouldn't use that style, even if they were made for the later wishbone. The distance from the end of the spring to the axle is a long loop (about eight inches vs about four inches). Any way you look at it, that will reduce the stability where it is most critical.
As to the lamps. My experience with most horseless carriages I have "noticed" is that most lamps open from the one side. I have seen a few exceptions. Most of them were "high end" cars. But on this, I am not an expert.
Neat photo! Thank you Jay.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
Wayne - To add to your comments in regard to those types of shocks, I'm pretty sure that a factor in the fatal accident involving Ken Meeks was that the car was equipped with that type of shock absorber. That terrible accident was carefully analyzed and perhaps someone knowing more about it will comment; might help prevent another accident in the future,......harold
Brown lights definitely came in lefts and rights. I don't know about the other ones.
Here's an original pair of E& J's with electric conversion:
Thanks again for the Brown info. I have a couple pair including both lefts & rights so wondered if they were supposed to be the same side. I'm looking for a set of Victors I have somewhere (hid someplace so I wouldn't break them) :-) I'll see if they are a pair. RV and Wayne: Thanks also for the further info. Now if I could just find all my stuff (lights included)!
Dennis, On your set of Victors, Been there, done that, and have the T shirt to boot!
Good luck on your quest. :-)
Where to get the reflectors and the information on how to electrify the 14 headlites? I would like to do a set for my car. Did the fluted lenses give out a better light? I am not fond of the fluted lenses on Gas light car even though I know they are an accessory I am sure. They just look funny on a brass car to me. But if there IS a good reason I aim to listen!
Joe in Mo.
My accessory shocks leaning outwards, these dampers in the picture is vertical.
Does anyone know what is to what?
Nice picture Jay
I finally spotted the box containing my set of Victor headlights. Just have to get the ladder tomorrow and take it down. Now if I can just sort out all the other T stuff I stashed years ago and see what I really have. I think I lost my mind a few times working on the T's. (fortunately it came home again). :-) PS: Thanks for posting the picture that sent me on this "enlightening" quest.
I hate going on the hunt for stuff, I keep finding coffee cups..
Those fluted reflectors came from Chickasha and they were brand spanking new! I don't have any idea of a more likely place to find more of them.
Just a point of information about whether the 13-14 lights were a matched pair. I finally had time to get out my two Victor lights. They both came from the same car and the rims both have the hinge on the left side (looking at the front of the light). So, they are NOT a left-right matched pair. Apparently the Victors are made all the same such as the early E&Js as Royce said.