Old Photo - A Whole Bunch Of Period Photos Of People Posing

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Friday, September 13, 2013 - 10:42 am:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Ida Fls on Friday, September 13, 2013 - 12:49 pm:

Wow!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Friday, September 13, 2013 - 01:13 pm:

Great photos!
In the picture of the Coupe with the two young fellows sitting on the running board holding cats it looks like an after market horn button on top of the steering wheel


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Horlick in Penn Valley, CA on Friday, September 13, 2013 - 02:29 pm:

What's the story in photo #4, take a saw and cut the window post and rear edge of door out so you can see the passengers better?... Makes a better photo!

TH


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Friday, September 13, 2013 - 03:30 pm:

Must be one of those pillar-less coupes.
One with the removable pillars.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Friday, September 13, 2013 - 03:33 pm:

Terry, Check this past thread out about the removable pillar.

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/86854.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ake Osterdahl on Friday, September 13, 2013 - 04:33 pm:

Nice picture Jay
Coupelet and Coupe.
Ake


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Friday, September 13, 2013 - 04:43 pm:

Picture #3 looks like Obama in the center.

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Friday, September 13, 2013 - 08:20 pm:

Ake,
Did you look closely at the pillarless coupe? I am not sure, but it looks to me like the sidelamps are mounted from the outer pillar (wait, I thought it was pillarless?) toward the center of the car. This was noticed and commented about on another photo about a month or two ago.

A bunch of nice photos on the coupe with a touring behind it. Family must have liked the new car! Dennis S, nice spot on the horn button! My '24 coupe has a horn button like that.
All wonderful pictures! Thank you Jay!
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Friday, September 13, 2013 - 09:38 pm:

Pic #4 is an '18 Coupelet. There are several pics of the '21 Coupe with the Touring Car in the background. They must have burned a lot of film that day. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Friday, September 13, 2013 - 10:27 pm:

We don't need any T pictures with the likes of Obama!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Saturday, September 14, 2013 - 10:51 am:

Jay great photos! Thank you for posting them. As always I wish there was additional information about them etc.

Note I think there is a good chance some of those are from the same family and that several of the cars are Canadian produced Fords.

Rationale:

Of the 18 photos there are clearly some that are Canadian produced I believe 4 of them are Canadian. And most of them cannot be ruled out as non-Canadian there isn't enough information to know.

1. The easiest one to ID is photo #17.
The last photo #18 is clearly a Canadian touring. Key ID point is the slant windshield that has BOTH the upper and lower portion hinged so they can be opened. On the USA slant windshield cars only the upper windshield could be opened/moved. The top also has the two oval rear windows and note how it is cut straight back / straight line from the windshield to the rear. It also does not have the fabric following the rear bow down to the body like the USA one-man top cars did. Note the Canadian Horn button on top of the steering wheel. Also the Canadian cars came with a leather/leatherette cover on the top of the doors. That was not an accessory but came with the car. If you zoom in you will also see that that 30 x 3 1/2 clinchers are the Kelsey style with the loose lugs. Note that the spare rim does not have a tire on it. Based on the condition of car, I believe it is relatively new. Based on the height of the cowl, I believe it is a 1924-25 high cowl but that is an area that is hard for me to tell sometimes. So if someone else sees that part/knows that area better please let us know. [I keep telling my wife we need to purchase a 1924-25 so we can compare the photos to an actual car. But she is too wise to fall for that one.] Note the car also probably has an accessory radiator cap which may help us distinguish it from other touring photos.



2. The next easiest to ID as Canadian is from Photo #1 also a Canadian touring. Again because of the lower hinged windshield and the oval rear windows on the top. (Note similar oval rear windows were also used on some aftermarket and replacement tops in the USA but they were standard equipment on the one-man tops in Canada 1920ish-25ish. Note the touring below would be a low cowl as it does not have the apron below the radiator. If the touring above is a low cowl rather than a high cowl they might be the same one but probably not taken at the same time if the radiator cap was an accessory on the car above. Depending on the source the Canadian slant windshield is listed as 1920 in some references and 1921 in other references. This could be the old model year verses calendar year. Another item on my "take another look at" but that one is for another day.



Note the same folks and cars are shown in photo # 3 shown below: Note the coffee pot and the touring next to the Model T are the same in both photos and the cars are in the same spot. Otherwise there is not enough showing of the T to know that it was a Canadian T.



3. The next one is the touring in the background of photo 6. It is also in the background of photos 8, 9, & 14 all showing the coupe in front and the touring in the background. But photo 6 had the best details. I have zoomed in on the Touring car. Note it has the 1917-22 style Bair top rest rather than the USA style top rest. For additional photos and information on the Canadian Bair style top rest please see: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29/35088.html?1188520763



The same touring has the unequal length windshield hinges. For a USA car that would be a mid 1917 to 1922 car.



For a Canadian car I do not know when Ford of Canada introduced the unequal length windshield hinges and how much over lap there would have been when both styles were used. If anyone has information on when Ford of Canada introduced the unequal length hinges and when they phased out the equal length hinges please let us know. I have info that the 1917 had them and the 1919 has the unequal length but I do not have a good reference for when in there they changed.

4. The Coupe in the foreground of photos 6, 8, 9, and 14 could be a USA coupe with an accessory horn button mounted on top of the steering wheel. But when you notice that the touring in the background is clearly a Canadian touring it begs the question of are there any other clues to help determine which country produced the coupe? And I believe the answer is yes. Photo 14 that clearly shows the horn button also shows what I believe are the Kelsey loose lug 88 rims and lugs. Note if it was a USA car it could also have those style of lugs. And in a photo it is usually almost impossible to tell the Kelsey 88 lug from the Cleveland & Firestone produced # 2846D lug [see: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/118802/131483.html for a thread showing how close the removable lugs look but they are NOT interchangeable. ] But in this case we either have two stock Canadian Ts or a Canadian touring and a USA coupe that also has the accessory horn button. Not a sure thing either way but notice the people. I think it is probably the same man in photo 3 holding the coffee pot and in photo 5 and 9 with the same style cap and similar facial features. If so he is clearly linked with the previous Canadian T photo.







5. And is the 1917ish touring with the equal length windshield hinges in photo 15 shown below the same one that was in the background of the Coupe photos? Does anyone recognize the license plate and where it might be from? Note the accessory front springs.



Or perhaps the same 1917ish equal length windshield hinged T in photo 11 which does NOT have the accessory front springs and is shown below.



And clearly the girl in the photo above is the same one (or very very similar looking to me) to the one in the coupe photo number 8 below:



Based on the above, I think it is likely that several of those photos are of a Canadian family and friends and their Canadian Ts. Note several of the other T photos could be Canadian also but the parts I need to see are not visible i.e. what type of top rest does the unequal length touring in photos 11 & 12.

Again thank you Jay for posting the photos. And if anyone can help us better determine when Ford of Canada went to the unequal length windshield hinges, please let us know.

Respectfully submitted,

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