Cranky engine

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: Cranky engine
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Spencer Vibert on Friday, September 13, 2013 - 10:08 pm:

last night I fired up my t for the first time in about 3 weeks and it will not start up right away by once it starts it runs fine. i am thinking coils which would explain the car not wanting to start can you guys give me some ideas because they are the only think I cant fine tune thanks by the way I does this every time You go to start it


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells on Friday, September 13, 2013 - 10:21 pm:

Turn the mixture less than one turn to the left (rich) for cold start. Turn it back to the right once it is warmed up.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Friday, September 13, 2013 - 10:34 pm:

Dave - Spencer said that "once it starts it runs fine". Therefore, I'd assume that the mixture adjustment is pretty close. I'd be inclined to think that perhaps it's either being choked too much, or not enough. It takes awhile to learn a "T's individual "personality" as they all seem to like different cold starting "techniques". I think the more common problem ref choking problems is the tendency to choke too much. If you think you have choked too much and caused flooding Dave, turn the ignition key off, open the throttle wide, and pull the engine through at least 4 strokes (if hand cranking). Then turn on ignition and crank again with full retarded spark and with throttle just cracked open a notch or two, but without choking.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Spencer Vibert on Saturday, September 14, 2013 - 10:14 pm:

thanks guys


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Saturday, September 14, 2013 - 10:18 pm:

Start a cold engine with the carb needle opened 1-1/2 turns, after it warms up adjust to about 1 turn open. Check your spark plugs and clean them if needed. The gap should be about 0.025". Your problem is not likely to be coils.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 05:59 am:

Unless one has a HCCT or Strobospark, I highly recommend NOT trying to 'fine tune' the coils one's self.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charles W. Little South Paris, Maine on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 08:18 am:

My cranky engine problem is a bit different. I have finally figured out my 13T's "personality" when it's cold: Open mixture 1-1/2 turns, turnover 4 times while pulling choke, turn on key to BAT, crank (usually) once and it starts fine. BUT, turn it off or stall it and I can't get it to start until it has cooled off!! Any suggestions?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 09:08 am:

Charles

Yes! My 15 touring does the same thing ... until I learned do do the opposite of starting cold when starting warm.

If its warm from driving I must CLOSE the mixture to about 1/2 to 3/4 turns (from totally closed), the she starts fine.

YMMV

Good luck


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug Money - Braidwood, IL on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 08:38 pm:

Cold, I pull the choke for one revolution of cranking. Sometimes, I have to open the mixture a 1/4 turn from normal until warmed up. On warm start, I almost always have to tap the choke to start unless the motor was just shut down.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Hoshield on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 08:54 pm:

Cold, mine usually takes 5 1/4pulls (8-9 o'clock to 12high)then I pull to just before high compression. Put fuel at about 4 o'clock, advance all the way up. Put key to battery, and she usually starts on the 1st or 2nd 1/4 crank ... go back and drop advance to about 10 o'clock.

Lately, when warm, about a 1/4 of the starts have been free starts! Today (about 60 degrees, with light rain), I got a free start after being in the grocery store for about a 1/2 hr.

Seems like the more I drive it, the more free starts I get. I only use the starter when I do something silly, like stall it in traffic, and I don't want to hold up traffic! LOL


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 09:26 pm:

I like to retard the spark all the way count to 5 and turn off the switch.I was trying to show people a free start and Lizzie would not! Lizzie changed her mind then did 8 in a row! By retarding the spark before shutdown you never forget and make a mistake!!Mag start,simple give her 4 or 5 notches advance,turn switch to mag and give a quick pull! Thank's Walley!! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 10:20 pm:

On my '14, I richen the mixture 1/4 turn, then with the switch on bat. I choke it for one pull on the crank. It usually starts on the next pull without using the choke. When warm it's a different story, but it's very easy to over choke it. Usually when warm it starts without any choking, but if it doesn't start after 2 or 3 pulls, then I choke it for one pull and it starts on the next pull.

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Monday, September 16, 2013 - 07:37 am:

Over choking is easy to do. Unless it is the dead of Winter, I seldom ever choke more than one 1/4 turn pull. I do always richen the mixture 1/4 turn on a cold start. On the rare occasion that mine gives trouble starting and I do resort to choking a second pull, if it doesn't crank the next pull, I KNOW I just flooded it. Kinda gives you a sinking feeling when that happens. Partly because it didn't start as expected, and partly because you know YOU are likely to blame. Opening the throttle usually clears to flood in a couple of pulls, but I don't like the high rpm when it does start. Luckily, my wife is usually around when I'm starting it, and she closes the throttle for me if that happens.


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