Differential Rebuild 16 t - Pt 3 - Inners and Outer Sleeves

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: Differential Rebuild 16 t - Pt 3 - Inners and Outer Sleeves
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philip Berg on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 06:25 pm:

Today I removed the outer sleeves with no issues, replacements are waiting. Now the inner sleeves don't look so easy to remove. Question is what is the max i.d. can the inner sleeves can be?

I drew up the axle, rollers in acad to come up with a inner sleeve i.d. of 2.062 or close to it. Mine measure 2.071 using telescope gages then a 2 - 3 micrometer.

To me this is excessive and they need to be replaced. What do you guys think?

Now if I do have to remove them can you give me any hints, I have the sleeve removal tool from Langs. The outers were easy to remove but the inners I have no way of pushing in the button to help it rotate out.

Thanks in advance


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By clayton swanson on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 06:41 pm:

no way of pushing in the button? i am puzzeled, the tool works well for both races. i have at times had to reach in the pipe with a small pick and release the button by slipping it under the spring steel. pick should be in your tool box, if not get one (or several if your shop looks like mine). many times the inner race is in good shape as it lives in oil, hows it look? any scars or galling?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philip Berg on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 06:51 pm:

I mean the indentation (button) on the sleeve to let it rotate up and out, not on the tool.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By clayton swanson on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 06:54 pm:

are you twisting in the direction of the slot?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 07:03 pm:

You may have to clean out harden grease and other crud that might be filling the hole the button goes into. A dental pick or stout wire bent with a point on it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Brown, NC on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 07:04 pm:

remove the inner sleeves with the same tool as the outer, just don't use them for installation. Line up the "bump" with the hole and use a wood block and hammer to tap them in. It helps to draw a straight line down the sleeve with a marker from the bump to the bottom.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 07:10 pm:

Helps to reduce the diameter with a hose clamp before trying to install. Put the clamp around the middle. Then using a wood block tap in letting the hose clamp slide along till you get to the bump then remove the clamp and drive in the rest of the way.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philip Berg on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 07:20 pm:

Lets revisit my questions again:

1. What is the max i.d. of the inner sleeve that is acceptable to use? Mine measure 2.071 diameter"

I haven't actually tried to remove the inner sleeves yet because if I can use them I'll leave them in (see question #1).

2. What is the best method to remove the inner sleeve with the sleeve removal tool. By your responses it is twisting the removal tool in the direction towards the slot?

Thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By clayton swanson on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 07:28 pm:

yes, when you twist towards the slot in the sleeve it will make the diameter smaller. my story about slipping the pick under the release button is for installing the sleeve. now, the spec... you should have glen chaffins axle book layin there all greasy by now,but you dont. give me a minute, i'll go look it up


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By clayton swanson on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 07:34 pm:

it seems he gives a wear spec for most every thing but the sleeve. just says to look for a shoulder or lip near the edge, and replace if found. its a good book, but you are already in there!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By michael grady on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 07:34 pm:

here is Steve Jelf's video for when you're ready to install the new seals and bearings. Excellent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfxWPsF4KhQ&feature=c4-overview&playnext=1&list=T Lottx_i2urbg


Michael


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Schedler, Sacramento on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 07:42 pm:

Milt Web just completed a comprehensive book on the Model T differential, aiming at the Rudkstell but there's lots on all of the parts.

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/370471.html

I hope the link works.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 08:17 pm:

I should point out one mistake in the video. Installing the radius rods I put the lock washer behind the front nut. It belongs in front of the rear nut. I put it back the way I found it before I learned the right way.


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