I just saw on the news that two cars were found in a lake in okla. that had been there for years
with bodies in side. There now checking there cold case files. They were testing some new under water locating equipment and found them. The cars were from the 50,s and 60,s. No T found .
Side scan sonar is a really cool technology and with the right software, users can map an entire lake or river with it. There's a team ambitious enough to start mapping all the wrecks along the western atlantic over the next few years.
People are finding everything from washing machines to airplanes with the sonar here around lake Erie.
This story reminds me of the Warren wreck where they found a couple missing from 1929. They swerved off a bend and crashed into the lake. I just found the article again. here you go.
That news item about high school kids found dead in a lake in OK is a really sad story. I wish I had not heard of that. Why are you posting something morbid like that here?
There's enough bad news today. Why not talk about all the good stuff instead?
The positive thing is that helps the closure for the family, that has been wondering what happened to them since 1970 when they disappeared.
Royce, Did you read the topic heading?
It Says "OT" but it is car related.
I just don't get it. Even if your thinking it, why would you post it?
And I don't mean Bob, Brian or Ed.......
BTW, I'm about to post an OT, so don't read it if you only want Model T threads.
I did read the "OT". That doesn't mean I wanted to read about the unbelievably sad story of several families losing their children, father, and grandfather. I can turn on the TV for that.
Then DON'T READ IT.
Mice on computers can be cliced more than 1 time.Once to get into something,again to back out of it.
You can't just say don't read it, though can you. How are we to know what the OT contains, unless we read it. The title says cars found in a lake, nothing about bodies. I see that, and hey, that's pretty cool I'll read it. It is car related, not political cool. "just don't read it" holds no water.
I agree with Rob.
The title says what the tread was about and it appears, based on his response, that Royce already knew the back story, so why open it?
No, I agree you can't "unring the bell." One also can't expect to control the content of this forum either (although I doubt there is any "intent" other than to be heard). But that's my opinion.
Wow. I think Bob meant to post about the fact that they just pulled a 1952 Chevy and 68 Camaro that were missing for 40 years.... since we are all car guys. It's not meant to be morbid, weird or gross. What an incredible thread drift!
"Things you can't un-see" as they say. Their using side scan in the bays to find stuff from the Sandy Storm.
it was on the national news, are u going to go and complain to them too, I found it to be rather interesting, sounded like the cars were side by side, it was odd.
Them's crocodile tears from somebody who enjoys trashing most of the real live thinking and feeling humans on this Forum. A sincere critic would have contacted Bob privately to complain.
That reminds me: in the news this morning was a pic of an 8 foot crocodile under a hotel room bed in Zimbabwe. The guy in bed didn't know until the maid came in and screamed. He had even been dangling his feet over the side.
Replies like some guys post here really make reconsider never responding again, but this time I am going to. Theres quite a few right wing ZEALOTS here that would love to have some gangsta tripping over his DRO's marry their only daughter, or have ACHMED over to join the family in a pork roast for EASTER with a bomb in his underpants.
In 1980, my dad and mentor (Model T guy, remember, its all or nothing about model T's!!!) was semi retired and filled in as an engineer on a tug boat out of Sturgeon Bay Wi. After a tumultuous (look that up Royce) lake crossing all night, they finally had the AMOCO WISCONSIN in tow. The ship veered and pulled the 110 foot tug under taking it WITH MY DAD to the bottom of the lake. He was never recovered. When I take his (Mine now) boat over to the Traverse Bay side of the lake, I always get the local priest out on the boat at the sight for a memorial mass. Not TOO bad for a heathen eh?
Fast forward to 2010. Hans Van Summerin of the University of Michigan Traverse City, professor emeritus of marine studies AND a State Police ROV/Camera operator had called me to say that the tug had been located and invited the wife and myself out on the expedition to send the ROV for a close up exam. We made the trip but weather fouled us out. They went again in the spring and sent me the entire 30 minute video.
NO, this aint about coils, or bands but it does provide closure, and yes, I can talk about it. When I was 3 or 4, I was handing dad tools while he was adjusting bearings. Most of you guys aint got a clue.
BTW, if you can drag yourselves away from football and manage to get the history channel, Hans VS was the guy doing the modified Japanese torpedo testing in Pearl Harbor. Quite a show that I am sure most have seen, unless youre at the Mosque at your daughters wedding.
Royce, you said the word morbid? you mean like driving a pinkish orange model t or like driving a model t on a E timer like gaget? (then again it's not a model t if it has one, Right Royce?)Boy that is soooo MORBID!!
Ricks I couldn't agree more. Well said.
The same thing happened in Michigan just north of Grand Rapids. A car was found in a lake with a women inside that had been missing 4 years. That car was found after retrieving a pickup where the guy had driven into the lake and drowned. The country road crests a rise and dead ends at the lake shore. No warning or barrier. At night with fog often present is would be easy to do.
The back story is:
The drivers' family had lots of money and spent it
looking for their son.
If you look at the pictures, there is significant
rear end damage to the Camaro - like it was rear ended or pushed.
The cars were found side by side.
Not knowing all the other facts, this might be
a homicide investigation.
Hey Ex Trooper, that is a great video, these underwater finds are not morbid, anymore than a headstone in a cemetery is. they are the markers of someone's final resting place, and it must be a comfort to be able to see your father's.
Thanks Gus... I had aspirations of raising the boat from 400 feet of water which would've been well into 6 digits. The catholic priest, Father Charlie, from Suttons bay Church (St Stanislaus) an avid lake Michigan fisherman told me its a consecrated grave and let him stay there. Dropped dad a new Zippo taped to a pack of Salems and bid him farewell till next time.
The weird thing was 4 days before that happened, I did some deck work on the boat, and my old man said "kid, when my time comes I wanna go into that cold water, take a big gulp, and have that be the end..."
Wow...Troop your reflections brought tears to my eyes !!! Lost my Dad(a "T" man since 1964)just last year. He loved Dixieland, dancing, and driving his 26 Roadster pickup on National and local tours for over 40yrs. His remains rest next to my dearly departed wife, who loved T's and speedsters and listening to my Dad detail his plans for a T house car that was his last project. May they all rest in peace no matter the resting place. Thanks for sharing that last intimate moment with your father. Cheers-W
One of the other forums that I frequent has a discussion going on about the two cars found. One of the posters is apparently the camaro owners cousin.
Does anybody know WHAT lake in Oklahoma?
From I've read, it was Foss Lake
Training with side scan radar in a little lake? The police had a TIP.
More to the story.
I is my understanding that the two vehicles went missing a year or two apart, but still wound up resting side by side.
Heres the story on the LAUREN CASTLE. Originally it was found by side scan sonar. After the position was pinpointed the ROV was dropped for video coverage on the boat.
So to keep this on thred topic wise, the tug was powered by 3 Model T Ford engines all welded together very much resembling an Electro-Motive 12V567@ 1200 hp.
My guess about the OK lake would be that it was found by reasonable deduction. Local area/ fisherman/ proximity to homes etc. ws
"Training with side scan radar in a little lake? The police had a TIP."
And you know this how??
BTW Foss is one of the largest lakes in the area, 8,800 surface acres. Most of the larger lakes in the state are on the eastern side of OK.
And you know this how?
35 years of Defense attorney work.
Never been to Oklahoma
A war memorial statue went missing in Grosse Point many many years ago. Low and behold, some police divers on a training mission just happened to locate it at the foot of a street in the lake in 35' of water while on a training session...NO
Kids prank that was made right...kind of
Sorry troop,Those 567's are all two strokes!Bud.
Well - I find the technology interesting.
We can do amazing things that were not even dreamed of 10 years ago.
This might sound heartless, but the fact is that people die in cars, on beds, in restaurants, at the beach, etc. so reading about it does not bother me. The thing I don't like is people posting pictures of mutilated bodies even if it not real.
Geez Ken... I forgot to add that the pistons were ported and 4 exhaust valves per cylinder were used. Custom RAJO head I guess. That direct drive Blower robbed a lot of power tho... I wonder if they could be bored out to 645s with an over running clutch on a turbocharger??? You oughta hear them T motors spin over on the air starter!
Yeah... like father like son... I hold a City of Chicago Stationary Engineers license and a USCG unlimited horsepower ticket (inland). Since I retired, Ive done some tug work for a guy up here with EMDs, Superiors, Fairbanks-Morse, and Cooper-Bessemers with the larger of the EMDs being diesel-electric. Most of the other equipment is direct reversing. Lots of 53 and 71 series gens and air compressors, but that's all toy stuff. ws
Its good to see a few people here have a sense of humor! ws
I rember very well the first time i ever heard a air starter on a truck!!! I miss Spooky Old Allis who had a 12V 71 under it's hood!Bud.
I had a Mack B67T with an air starter.
Jon, thanks for clarifying that it was pure unsubstantiated speculation.
Wow, and we wonder why we lose good people on a regular basis.
I once worked on a dragger fishing boat in New Jersey that had an air starter on a big diesel motor. Don't know what kind of an engine it was, but the air starter was neat..
Ill bet the starter was an Ingersoll-Rand! This was on an EX LST 12-567; its electric (220 DC) with air on the other side just in case, THEN a hand pumped hydraulic starter just in case the just in cases failed.
I wonder if someone will restore the Camaro? I can already see the E-bay ad, "One owner, bay find, stored 43 years" and so on.
A complete set of crying towels are on the way to you good buddy, but wait, theres more, ill throw in a box of diapers, sounds like your leaking at bith ends dog. lol, grow up ok?
Reading this form is better than any comic book or stand up comic that I have ever seen ;and best of all VERY informative/educational and nostalgic, I remember those b67 Macks I was the guy who would have to go with service truck and recharge the air tank after it leaked down on Monday morn after sitting over the weekend always on the coldest time of year in Pgh, Pa. I worked for a truck repair garage that did 24hr towing for tractor trailers ,the colder it was the busier ,used to go day and night ."thought I was making good money,guess12.50 hr wasn't bad in 1967 for a 22yr old kid"
Trawler paid $20/day for a 16 year old kid. Good incentive to go to college.
Hey, does anybody have an air starter on a T? Would really spin the engine...probably more horsepower than a T engine too.
The electric (32 VDC) Delco starters on my one boat with the 12-71s are rated at 40+ HP.
Dang,I am glad I cliced on this 1.
I hope whatever happened to the folks that passed on in the cars gets fiqured out and justice is served.
The camaro I didnt see much of because of dial up but that 53 chevy was purty much GONE from the back of the door to the bumper.
So ya got a "Buzzin' Dozen" eh. I'm not a boater, but a trucker. Those were a big horse back in the '70's........a real screamer. I kinda like the old two cycles even though there very obsolete today. I still have a 318 sitting behind the barn in a '74 White Freightliner.......cracked head, what else.
Fred,Spooky Old Allis was a HD-21 powershift with a 12-71 and two 5" stack's! AT $90 per hour 15-19 year's ago we moved stuff in a hurry!!Bud.
TWO DOZEN BUZZIN'
Couldn't beat them old 71s! Like a model T just a bit more advanced. They were "dry liner" engines; whereas the liners were seated in a cast block... very forgiving. Then of course they just HAD to improve a perfect thing with the 92 series. A wet liner engine, with coolant circulating in direct contact with the liner and sealed by O rings. A single over heat meant water in the oil and a total overhaul... $$$$
Have you hugged yer Detroit today??? Closely examine the wiring and ancillary stuff that I DO MYSELF. That's why I walk away from this place scratching my, ah, er, head sometimes. The 32 VDC system is in two banks, house and staring that can be switched via a paralleling switch. I mustve run 5 miles of new wire in that boat! Now why was it that the door bell wire to the coil box was breaking??? (gotta keep it T related!)
Troop, one of your (distant) Stephan relatives is a regular in my shop. He is a good friend, with a lot of stories from the old days. He is nearing 80, and I am 48. It is interesting to me, that he worked in law enforcement and truck driving, as did his brothers, and his dad. Knowing these men, and reading your thoughts here, it is easy for me to see that you are related. And I mean that as a compliment.
Thanks Ed!! I do take that as a compliment! Although unbeknownst to me, Grayling Stephan's aren't unlikely! After Ellis Island they all scattered around Michigan, Wisconsin, and Chicago. Cops, trucks, boats and big machinery runs in the family; oh and lotsa Model Ts too!!!
My dads' dad was a tin knocker and always worked during the depression years installing decorative tin ceiling squares at all the big stores in Chicago. Old stories are cool... the oldtimers aren't here forever (neither are we!) but our lives today are boring by the standards of those who struggled 75 years ago. Best regards!! ws
The Grayling Stephans stopped at Detroit, and some stayed there to work in the factories. Some of them homesteaded a square mile on the Ausable river east of Grayling. Their plan was to build a dam to generate electricity, it never happened. They built Stephan Bridge, and a settlement grew around it. There was a school, and post office. most of the old homestead is now owned by the Stranahan's, who owned Champion Spark Plug from around 1903-1991? There's your Ford Model T connection.
One of the last relatives I spoke with over that way in the early 70s had a kinda blacksmith/railroad museum thing going on. I had a 200LB anvil I donated to him. Took both up us to lift it onto his truck. Maybe the anvil was chrome vanadium steel for the Model T conection. I dragged it outa the dumpster at work (!) and took a forklift and a strap to do it! ws
Bud, that HD21 sounds like it was very cool! Do you have any pictures of it?
I may have posted this before, but a few years ago I saw a 5010 John Deere tractor at a show that had a 318 Detroit in it. It used to be a fairly common swap. It had a sign on the side that said "Detroit Diesels are the only engines made that turn Diesel fuel into noise". I can't argue with that! Dave
David,Yes it was a great dozer and i don't know how to post pictures.The 12 made great power without winding it to high and was dry! I used to drive a semi [beet truck] with a 8-92 dual stacks,and i used to run window's open to listen to her run!! Sorry to say in today's world you cant afford to run a two stroke? Bud.
There seems to be a lot of missing cars being found.