Just thought I'd bring up a subject I haven't seen a lot of discussion on. We're going to be getting into the winter months before we know it, and I was wondering about everyone's opinions on side curtains on the open cars. I have thought about getting a set for my roadster. Just wondering about the pros and cons.
We have them on all our cars. I was surprised how much they help in cold and wet weather. Out N runabout is especially cozy with the curtains on, due to the small area protected.
Rob you have some nice cars.
We have them on our '14 Touring and '26 Roadster, but there are differences.
On our '14 Touring we have original side curtains like Rob pictured above on his '13. Visibility is somewhat restricted with these.
On our '26 Roadster Pickup we have "modern" style side curtains. They are clear plastic throughout, providing excellent visability as well as protection from the elements. I don't have a picture of them to post, but just imagine clear plastic on the full length of each side. They work great!
We don't have any, but then again, our Winters are rather mild compared to yours. In the Winter, we have found riding with the top down is warmer than it being up. It lets the sun warm you. The windshield blocks the majority of the wind. The worst wind is on the back of our heads. She has long hair. I wear a skully.
They are nice protection from side wind in addition to rain and cold, but the plastic is hard for me to see through. I would like to have a set made with plexiglass or perhaps even tempered glass (if this is possible).
In the rain or the cold side curtains are a must for the wife. My car is a 25 touring and I will carry them to the covered bridge tour next week. Last year it rained for 3 days and the curtains helped keep us mostly dry.
On my '27 roadster wind wings make huge difference. I also have side curtains, but often the wind wings are all I need
Laminated safety glass might be a lot easier. Relatively easy to drill holes in it. With tempered anything like that has to be done before tempering
I just got a set in the mail today for my 15 touring. Any "gotcha's"to watch out for before I start hanging them? They came with pieces of cloth rolled between them and the instructions basically say "install". Should I use the cloth as a "first attempt" then, when that's correct call it a pattern and transfer all the holes and fasteners to the final product, or just go for it?
Here's and earlier thread with a pdf file from Mac's with instructions:
I think using the cloth as a pattern is a good idea. Mess sure twice, cut once, or was it the other way around .....
If you tour much side curtains are a good idea. You may never need them, but you will wish you had them if you get caught in a heavy storm. I once spent about 2 hours in a parking lot somewhere between Petit Jean and Fayetteville in a 23 Touring in an absolute sideways downpour. Had an umbrella open inside the car to try to keep from getting soaked. It did not work and I was not feeling the love. I have side curtains for my 14 Touring and the only time they have been on the car was the day I fitted them. Go figure.
You could use that cloth for that purpose, but it's most likely there to keep the plastic windows from getting scratched when they are rolled up.
I had side curtains on the TT truck, and also on the '15 Studebaker I had. Loved them. The side curtains stayed up most of the time.
On the other hand. A lot of the touring I have done has been in speedsters and the boat-tail roadsters with no top at all. After a couple snow trips and a few downpour tours, I can go either way.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
We have a 26 touring and drive it year round in WA state. No side curtains. I love being part of the weather. One dresses for the outside temp and all is groovy. However, there are times that I found I wished I had them. On a big tour away from home one doesn't want to miss out and can't just wait for a dry day. Normally rain is not a bother for me. The exception is the severity of the storm. Side blowing rain with goodly sized hail (on the wife's side, ouch) is an issue if you are out on tour. That is when I wanted side curtains and was envious of the guys that had them.
So, in five years of driving year round, there have been a few days they would have been used. Mostly, I am better off with the other stuff I keep under the seats. A blanket is one of the items we often employ if the wife gets chilled.
One other issue is the comfort of the rear seat passengers. In the touring we are well protected from wind in the front seat, but all the air goes directly onto the backseaters. They may want the side curtains more than the driver does.
I am happy without them (the side curtains), but may build a set one day just for ducks.
My '15 Touring didn't come with side curtains—at least not when I bought it. Didn't figure it was any big deal as I was only going to drive the car on sunny weekends. Well, then there was this one time at a car show that the heavens unexpectedly opened up and we had to drive home through a downpour. And what you see here happened several times on the way home. Oh, it felt like John the Baptist had been turned loose with a fire hose!
Suddenly, side-curtains seemed to make a lot of sense.
But seriously, folks: The side-curtains I've seen cut visibility down to a sliver and they'd naturally be used at a time when wind and rain are already compromising safety. I've been thinking about having a set made from clear, heavy-gauge plastic. No, that wouldn't be historically correct, but if you're going to be traffic-jamming in rainy weather, maybe that's the safer way to go. There's an automotive shop not too far from me that makes and repairs convertible tops and they work with this transparent material.
I made a set for my '25 runabout. They are nice when you need them. If you intend to buy a pre-made set, don't expect them to fit perfectly though. I made mine from the original Ford drawings, and still had to do some fitting to get the fastener locations just right.
I have a custom set of side curtains on order from Classtique Upholstery - I asked them to maximize the clear areas (as much as practical) for maximum visibility. I'll post pictures of them once I get them and mount them on the car (1923 touring/pickup).
The 1914 i bought about 16 years ago came with side curtans which i have never used!I have ran the car in winter at 7 above zero but dry roads.If i get cought in the rain ok,but i do watch the weather for go or no go.At this stage of life i can't afford another Ford so i take care of the one's i have! Bud.
Side curtains are a big help, having a clear windshield would be nice if it was standard on the car.
I have the curtains and when it get"s cold enough to use them I think I'll probably be backing Mr's T in for the winter. I did have them on in the early spring and it was a bit to hot.
Sounds like the general consensus is to have them and pray you never use them. I wasn't too worried about heat, but having them in a downpour would be very handy. I was worried about the windows fogging up when they're installed. I do like the idea of using clear vinyl and making some not-quite-authentic side curtains that add some safety.
The side curtains on the ambulance can be unhooked from the top fasteners and folded down to see over them, I do not have any problem with the windshield fogging due to the design, but my glasses tend to get wet some times. The nice thing about side curtains is that if the weather gets bad enough, you can always pull over and wait it out and still stay dry.
I don't have any for my Torpedo but on our many tours except ONE my wife got wet and one time nearly drown. To my good fortune the storms always come from her side when we're driving. Luckily she does dry out and she has something unique to tell her friends about driving in a Model T but I usually end up being the bad guy for not having curtains.
I must get busy and make some and I like the idea of having larger windows even though they may not be era correct. The important this is visibility and functionality. Just think how many times you have them on during a show... Never.
The other question is where to store them? During the Kanab tour I saw another Torpedo that had them stowed inside a round tube mounted crosswise on the deck between the gas tank and the body.
I go to more tours than car shows. This is the Texas T Party in 2009 near Tyler, Texas. It rained for 4 days straight, with temperatures in the 50's. I put the side curtains on the '17 right after this picture was taken on day 1 of the 4 day tour. They stayed on for the rest of the week.
Side curtains are a pain in the rear when on a tour, when you're getting in and out often. Other than that, they are great! (If you have a '26-7 car, see the next paragraph.) I had a set made for my '15 Touring and used them often. I had much larger "windows" put in them than the originals had, and I could see out very well. When it's raining, or cold, they make the ride much more enjoyable.
On the "improved" cars they made a significant improvement in the curtains, and that is that they open and close with the door(s). Much more convenient than the earlier setup.
We have a set on our '26 Touring which go on usually in November and stay on through April or so. Seems to make a big difference when driving while its cool out.
We had them on when we went down to Florida for the Winter Tour in Daytona last year, but I took them off the first night. It ended up being cool in the mornings all week and I wished I'd kept them on.
Got the rear ones on fine. My searches through old forums here seemed to reveal some indecision on what is really correct for the front of the front curtain for a 1915 touring. I've got some of the little hooks that can go under a windshield hinge bolt or 2, and the curtains have a strap at the lower front corner to wrap around the sidelamp mount. Looks like the top front corner would get a female grommet and the male murphy fastener would mount on the inside of the front bow near the corner pointing toward the rear of the car making it accessible from the front seat while inside the car. Is this close to right? (Seems like it'd be functional). Would another strap in the middle to go thru the hinge be more correct, thereby eliminating the need for the little hooks? I guess to sum up this post--How does the front of the curtain attach to the car?
For 1915 the front side curtain did not have the little hooks on the side of the windshield. They had a strap that went around the side lamp.
When they introduced e-lectric starters on the open cars, the side lamps went away, so they started to put on the little hooks.
The Murphy fasteners on the inside of the front bow are correct.
: ^ )
Wonder if anyone has a 23 touring car print. I'm
going to make my own.
The side curtain on the passenger front door of my '15 is modified. It has the removable support rod from a 1926 touring, and so the side curtain opens with the door, making ingress / egress much easier.
The only thing I can think of that Ford must have done, is to use a fixture for each and every car to line up the bows, so every car would come out the same, and use the same side curtain fasteners. Today, I think a person would be foolish to buy a pre-made set of curtains, unless the fasteners were left out. Then the new owner could install them where they have to be.
My understanding is that is exactly how the pre-made curtains come - all sewn, With all the correct fasteners loose in a bag and a diagram showing suggested locations. You have to locate and install the fasteners yourself.
Is there any documentation as to where the fasteners should go as per ford specs? I have a set of curtains for my '15 touring, and I've never installed them due to lack of another car close enough to take photos of that I can be assured they're correct. Or is there a "correct" (?)
Here's an older thread on side curtain fastener placement:
I'd love to have some for my '26 touring but they're awful expensive. Are there any patterns or kits for do-it-yourselfers?
Mark is right about the sack of fasteners that you have to install, but you better order lots of the screws--none were included. I think I'm done! They're not perfect, but, I'm satisfied. My favorite quote from all my research of T's over the years was,"....it was a model T, it was never a Packard or Cadillac." I remember that and can accept the minor imperfections that happen along the way. Considering all the info I could put together, looking at the pics and comments in this thread, and in the thread referenced from 2008, and the instructions, the rear curtains are kind of "self positioning". It's not hard figuring out where you need to put the fasteners--it just takes a lot longer to do than you think it should, and someone to help hold is a must. The front ones are kind of the same, but, you need to decide how you want to attach the front of the front curtains. I put a male murphy fastener on the inside of the front bow and the female part on the curtain. The bottom of the curtains came with a strap to wrap around the lamp bracket and fasten back to the curtain. I marked the curtains where the center of the windshield hinge is. I'm having a friend sew a 1 inch wide piece of cotton webbing to the inside of the curtains at the marks. It will then feed through the w/s hinge where it will be wrapped around itself to secure the center of the front of the curtain while driving. Next week I'll take some pics and post here so the next person may find this job a little easier to do. Keep in mind while you're doing this, that (unless you do it like Royce) you'll have to get inside then finish buttoning up. You'll also have to undo them from the inside enough to get out, so check things out as you go--you don't want to find out when you're finished that you put the fasteners where you can't get to them.
I have some clear plastic curtains for my Runabout. They are hard to install when they are cold. I think the shop that made them didn't match the snaps exact enough and when it's cold the plastic will not stretch at all. Nice visibility though.
Hal - My '27 depot hack that i bought from the family of the late Pete Cosner of the Long Beach Club came with a beautiful set of custom made side curtains. They are about 75% clear plastic and 25% black naugahyde and they fit very well, however they are a "bear" to put on even in warm weather and much more difficult in cool weather. The secret is to use an electric hair dryer to warm the side curtains section-by-section as you snap them in place. Even with the use of the electric hair dryer, it is a very difficult and slow process, but they sure fit nice once they're on! It's one of those things whereby once they're installed sometime in October, they STAY ON until Spring!
The last time I used the side curtains on my '10 was eight years ago just before I retired to Florida. It's rarely cold enough to need them and there are plenty of covered gas stations to hunker down under until the rain stops. In Florida if you don't like the weather just wait 10 minutes!
Here is a photo of my '25 pickup. I made the curtains from the Ford prints, and used originals too for guidance.
What's the little flap on the bottom of the front curtain for? Paying tolls on toll roads?
To be able to hand signal
Ahh, I should have thought of that, thanks!
I received my new side curtains from Classtique yesterday, see attached pics. I had asked them to maximize the window area without destroying the general look, I think they struck a good compromise.
I am starting to locate and install the fasteners, both on the curtains and the body & bows. One question I have concerns the tabs at the bottom of the windshield frame. Mine are located under the rear of the two bolts at the bottom of the frame, do they belong under the front bolts?
There appears to be enough material on the front curtains to locate the eyelet to match either location.
Thanks for the help.
By the way, when I saw that my driver's side front curtain didn't have a flap, I panicked and called Mike at Classtique. He told me that the original curtains only had the flap on the passenger side to allow you to reach in and unlatch the door. He did say a lot of folks request flaps on both sides, but I didn't know enough to ask for that. Since my pickup has electric stop lights and turn signals, I won't need to be sticking my hand out the driver's side anyway.
The curtain hook goes on the front bolt and helps a wee bit to wrap the curtain around the side and across. If you take your time and fit the curtains you then will have an illusion that you are going to stay nice and dry and you will indeed be nice and dry - until it starts raining
I've got side curtains for my '12 Touring and never had occasion to put them on. Well, you know, southern California is like that.
The thing that I've wondered about is carbon monoxide. If the exhaust pipe nut ever works its way loose while you are driving with curtains, what are the chances of doing yourself in ? Or is the air leakage even with full curtains so plentiful that monoxide wouldn't be a problem ?
I remember when my Mom & Dad still had the car that one day my Mom was complaining that her feet getting really hot. My Dad kept telling her it was her imagination. Finally, she asked him if the charred wood and smoke were her imagination also. So he stopped and put the fire out, then tightened the exhaust nut.
Thanks, John, I'll move the hooks to the front bolt.
I'll post pictures of the pickup with the curtains on once I finish the installation.
When it rained on the way home from a show, I was sure glad I had them under the back seat of my, then 14 touring.
Thanks to all here I got one side done, and could
not resist the temptation to show my buddie. Big
difference even with one side BUT velcro dont work
A days work down the tube. My center with the glass
gone. Retracked my ride with my pickup no luck.
Try again with daylight.
Our new side curtains came in handy at Hershey this year. I drove onto the grounds each day (and back to the hotel at night) and the curtains kept me (and the interior) snug and dry.
Wow Rob, now that's what I call maximizing the window area! They look great.
Many years ago we had a Model A Phaeton. It was our daily driver and we used the side curtains in the winter time. I usually left off the one on the drivers front unless it was raining. Quite hard to do hand signals with it on.
It is difficult to see through them even though they have clear plastic, it is somewhat wavy.
Now having 3 open T's, we don't use side curtains. We rarely drive in the rain and unless we have a very strong side wind, don't get wet.
We do live in Southern California and go more than 6 months without rain, then only occasionally in the winter months, and very unlikely to have below freezing temperatures even at night, so our experience would be much different from those in a wet or cold climate.
You don't need them. (until you need them).
We decided to opt for functional instead of original. Earlier in the thread there are pics of our 13 T and 06 N with curtains using "traditional" sized windows. These (K) are much easier to see out of. Also the car is so large there is a lot of room for big windows too.
I was able to locate some of those early clips at Chickasha last year like Mike Walker posted. A friends 1912 touring uses them for the windshield. As far as correct curtains go, Ford has the prints for most years, but I would still not use their dimensions for the location of the fasteners. They are very close, but can be slightly off.
Sure was nice on Leef peeper tour!
Here in Minnesota, where men are men and sheep are nervous (oh wait, that's Montana) we ride on snowmobiles at -30 degrees fahrenheit, even though our heads are frozen, we still use side curtains. In January the side curtains cut down on the mosquitoes.
I thought chicken wire was the best way to stop Minnesota mosquitoes.
To help those in the future, searching the forum for info, I'm adding these additional pics. Having never seen the inside, or even the outside closeup, installed on a 15, I was grasping for info. I stumbled through the install--they're good enough to suit me. First and 4th pic is fastened, inside right front, w/me holding it out so you can see the webbing I sewed to insert through the windshield and tie around the hinge or strap. 2nd pic is just the view of the inside left rear. 3rd pic is view of the inside left front showing the mounting location of the fastener on the inside of the front top bow. (Descriptions may not ref the correct pic, since, my preview only gives me numbers)
OK--1st and 3rd are the same. Here is the pic of the inside left front.
Mark, what John says is correct. The lower clip goes on the front bolt, and there is one more on the windshield screw above, but it is longer, and curves around the windshield frame. They hold the front part of the curtain on, and then there are two or three more on the top bow. I sure had a lot of fun making mine, but I don't see how a kit could ever work, because there is no set way nowdays of locating that rear bow. Just 1/8" off would mess up all of the locations for the eyelets in the curtains.
Thanks, Larry, I relocated the lower clips to the front bolt and I do have the longer clips that curve around the windshield frame. I'm in the process of locating and installing the remaining fasteners, but can't finish yet because I'm waiting for some extra fasteners from Mac's and Langs. I had to cut some notches in the driver's side front curtain to fit around my side view mirror and spare tire carrier. I also added a short extension to the snap at the top front corner of each front curtain to reach the mating snaps on the ends of the top rain shield. I hope to have everything wrapped up (pun intended) by the end of next week, at which point I'll post pictures of the finished installation.
Another aspect of restoring T's is trying to get everything right. Ford used some fasteners made by Anzo. I guess they used them all along, but apparently they are no longer in business. It would be an interesting research project to find out about that company. I've been lucky enough to find old stock Anzo parts at swapmeets, and even had a pair of staking tools reproduced to install them with. The lift the dot fasteners they make today are the closest fastener you'll find.
Did Ford offer them as standard equipment when you bought the car or were they optional.
Just wondering since this is a curtain thread.
It seems like I've read Ford had a base price for his cars.
Side curtains were standard equipment on cars with folding tops, and on Town Cars for the front seat.
If you tour a lot and have a touring car then I have an idea I would share with you folks. I have a 1923 Touring that is my "driver". My wife and I tour a lot and usually we attend week long tours in the summer and weekend tours at other times too. Side curtains are a real pain if you get caught in a sudden cloud burst which is 100% of the time for me and Renee'. You then must pull over and get folks out of the back seat so you can get your curtains out and start putting them on while you stand in the rain. Now clearly it is better to find a place to park "under something" so you can stay dry while you put them on but absent that - here is something that helps. I do NOT put the curtains under the back seat. I also do not put them in a box on the running board since it would be raining when we needed to get them out. A touring car generally has 2 front curtains that are somewhat large and 2 rear curtains that are a bit smaller but all 4 are pretty close to same height just wider from front ones to back ones. We lay the 4 curtains on top of each other with the largest curtain on the bottom. We then roll them all up into one roll keeping the roll somewhat tight but also laying them so that the various buttons and latches are not laying on top of the plastic windows. This isn't difficult if you remember which curtain goes on top of which and which ends go to the left or right. Just roll them up so that you end up with a sort of "bed roll" like cowboys used behind their saddles. Now buy 2 saddle top tie down leather straps from Lang's. These are the narrow straps that hold your top to the top saddle when the top is down. Slip those straps up under the top material at the highest top bow that is behind the driver and in front of the rear people. Hold the rolled up curtains up against the bottom side of that top bow and buckle the straps under each end about 3 or 4 inches in from the end of the roll. The curtains then are high up out of the way and not even visible in a typical side view of the car. If it starts to rain you reach up and unbuckle the ends and start putting the curtains on while everyone is still seated in the car. You may have to get out to finish them up but it is way faster and less hassle than storing them under the back seat with greasy parts and greasy tools and it leaves the back seat compartment free for tools. You don't have to wind up the curtains super tight and small to make this work. About a 4 inch diameter roll or so works fine. I have had them this way in my touring car for more than 10 years and I doubt any of you noticed it when you were on a tour with me. You will likely have to punch an extra hole in the straps since you will be cutting the ends off shorter once you wrap up your curtains. That top bow works perfectly to hold them on my '23 touring. They simply do not block the view of anyone in the back seat nor the rear view in the mirror either since they are up higher than the rear window tops that your inside rear mirror is looking through.
One thing that I have not seen mentioned that means a lot to me is that I feel a little bit more secure with the items inside the car when I stop somewhere. I always try to pick a restaurant with a big front window so I can watch the coats, gloves, hats and other items inside the T. When you are in strange town and don't know where this type of café is I find that I feel much more secure with the side curtains buttoned down.
I finished installing all the fasteners for the passenger side curtains today on my 1923 touring/pickup, so as promised here are some pics. I'm happy with the way they turned out, I'll likely finish up the driver's side curtains tomorrow. Before anyone uses these pics as a reference for their car, please be aware that these are custom curtains that I ordered from Classtique Upholstery, they have more clear window area than original factory curtains.
I ended up using a slightly different mix of fasteners than what Lang's and Classtique supplied. Here is a list of the total fasteners I used:
2 short hooks under front bolt of lower windshield frame (1 on each side of the car)
2 longer hooks under middle windshield frame screw (1 on each side of the car)
6 female "lift a dot" sockets on the rear curtains (3 per side)
4 double height "common sense" male fasteners (2 per side) (mount with 2 screws each)
8 standard height "common sense male fasteners (4 per side) (mount with 2 screws each)
2 standard height male "tab mounted" "common sense" fasteners (one on the front of each rear curtain, halfway up, mates with an eyelet on the rear of the front curtain)
22 "common sense" female eyelets
2 female snaps (to mate with the male snaps on the ends of the top's rain shield)
In addition, I made two short extension straps for the upper front corners of my front curtains and one longer strap to bridge the notch I cut in the driver's side front curtain for the side mirror mount. These straps used a total of 4 male snaps and 4 female snaps. Your installation may not need these extra straps.
Ok, these are the last pics of my side curtains, I promise! I finished fitting the driver's side curtains today and took some new pictures with both sides fully fitted. Now I just need to get some soft material to put between the curtains when I roll them up to protect the clear vinyl, then figure out where to store them in the car so that they'll be ready if/when needed.
Mark - For storage of your side curtains you might want to use John Regans' suggestion: Roll them up and hang them from the underside of the highest top bow using leather straps to hold them in place.
Will they be in the way and would you hit your head on them? I don't know, but it certainly might work and is worth a try.
It should be noted that John does this is his '23 Touring and a Roadster top isn't the same....
Thanks for the suggestion, hanging them from a bow probably works well for a touring car since the roll won't end up directly over someone's head. John Regan, do you move the rolled up curtains to a different place when you want to drive with the top down?
I currently have my top boot stored in a wood box that fits under the tilt pickup bed between the frame rails (see pics), but it isn't wide enough to hold the side curtains without folding them in half first, which I don't want to do.
I looked under the seat and there really isn't enough room around the gas tank for curtains. I may get a leatherette bag to hold the curtains and strap the bag somewhere in the pickup bed.
Any other suggestions from fellow roadster and roadster pickup owners? Thanks in advance for your ideas and examples!
Mark, the little flaps on the bottom of the curtains are so you can reach in and open the door latches.
Thanks, Fred, Mike at Classtique told me the same thing when I called them, that's why my curtains only have a flap on the passenger side.
Update - I had ordered a side curtain bag from Lang's and it arrived this afternoon. It is a leatherette bag with a flap and two "common sense" fasteners, it holds the rolled-up curtains nicely.
For now I'm just going to leave the bag in the pickup bed, but I'll continue to scope out other locations for it.
Get side curtains. You never know when you will need them and they are handy keeping blazing sun off, too.
I found a better place to stash the side curtains when they're rolled up in the leatherette bag - I'm going to place the bag on the driver's side splash apron, tucked behind my spare tire. It's out of the way and less visible than when it's sitting in the pickup bed.
Thanks Keith, we use to put sterno heat cans
in a (I cant find this box thing with fins on it)
two cans of sterno good to go. guess i gotta make
one but I got one for the floor? but I dont want to cut my nice rubber matt. ..... took a ride tonight
and guess what a diezt lantern Heat Heat guess
my junk yard curtins doing their thing..
The funny thing is that no I don't move the curtains when the top goes down. I leave them strapped to that bow and they simply lay down with the rest of the top and go back up when the top does. With regard to the roadster mounting of the curtains up there, I am not so sure it would not work just as well since the roll is smaller diameter being less curtain material and remember that the curtains are strapped snugly against the underside of the highest top bow. Not saying that it definitely will work on the roadster but a couple of pieces of rope or cord will let you try it without buying any flat leather straps if it doesn't work. The main thing to remember is that you are strapping them up there flat against the bottom of the bow with snug fitting leather straps. They don't hang down very far. Put them up there and then get into the car and see if they obstruct your view or anything. You might discover they don't bother a thing by being up there.
Thanks for the input John, I'll give it a try! It would certainly be good to have them inside the car when it starts raining, rather than having to get out and fetch them.
John, here are some pics of my attempt at tying the side curtain roll to the top bow of my pickup. I tied the roll up to the uppermost bow as tight as I could so that it hugged the bow and didn't hang down. I ignored the hanging pieces of cord, since I'd be using straps for the final installation and straps would not hang down like the cords.
When sitting in the car, the roll is positioned a little forward of my head. This is a mixed blessing; although it doesn't hit my head, its forward position puts it in my upper peripheral vision, making it a distraction, especially if it moves at all when I'm driving.
For now, I'm going to tuck the roll behind my spare tire on the driver's side splash apron, as shown here:
I'm still open to suggestions for alternate locations / approaches, thanks all!
The flap on the left curtain was for arm signals. You don't need one on the right side unless you have a rhd car! I posted a photo several months ago of an original genuine Ford side curtain roll. One of these days I'm going to make some of them.
Side curtains??? I drive a '23 in Washington, year around. I have to admit, I usually give up when the rain water pours in the windshield and drips down or the arm of my jackets are soaked.
The reason I do not do side curtains is I can not see. I was on a run a week ago and needed to back up with the top up. Could not see what I was doing so "topless" was the answer for the rest of the day.
The top has two clear windows in the back. The center strip of solid should not be there. Then there is the whole right rear corner area where there is no visibility. What do the rest of you do with this?
I was thankful the sun was out on a mid-50's foggy NW kind of day. My answer is, layer up.