Now that the MTFCI forum is up and running smoothly I will be posting new Model T period photos that I had been posting here under 'OLD PHOTO' on a thread I just started there. Here's the link.
As a side note I would like to encourage fellow forum members here to register and become members on the new general discussion forum at the MTFCI and LEARN how to post and interact on what could very well become the format that will replace this one we have here.
Thanks for supporting our hobby and our clubs! Thanks also for coming up with a good idea on how to help introduce change in a non-threatening way.
For those who do not want to change -- don't worry. That is normal also. There is that standard bell curve for how change is adopted. There are some folks over on the far right as early adopters and some are on the far left as "late as I can be adopters." And most of us will fall somewhere in the middle of that bell curve. And because it is a curve of adopters -- rather than a curve of "who adopted" those who do not adopt are not plotted on that curve. Hopefully we can keep that number to minimum -- and I think Jay, your idea will help to minimize the losses.
Our local groups might want to set up some "How to navigate the new technology" demo's and "hands on" lessons during one of our club meetings. Or have some of the folks that know how to do it offer some one-on-one instruction on another member's computer. If someone couldn't get their T started we wouldn't say -- "well that's too bad." No we would try to help them out. Of course you often get to go for a ride afterwards ... but hey ... you could drive your T over to demonstrate the computer how to and then both of you go for a drive to the DQ etc. afterwards.
And thanks to all the folks that make our forums, web sites, clubs, books, etc. possible. And again Jay thanks!
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It is much easier to do almost anything on the MTFCI site, including post pictures.
The other site is clearly superior to this one. Hopefully the moderators here will adopt the same software so that folks who are resistant to change can learn only one set of new tricks.
Hap , Thanks for the kind words and your GREAT idea's on preserving our Forum fellowships.
My concern is that you need a critical mass of forum members like we have here to have an ACTIVE "go to" forum for all things Model T. If for some reason the MTFCA forum here goes away and can't be brought back to real time life I for one am afraid we will lose many of the great people who post here and make it possible for the MANY followers to have CONTENT to tune into daily.
Thanks Jay. I too try and post a little over there off and on.
The format used on the other forum has been the standard for over a decade for most other forums, it is very user friendly and threads to not become inactive each year. I think it is possible for you to keep your photos at the top of the thread by doing an edit and adding the new photos to your first post rather than using new posts after the comments.
This forum has been great, and I do not see it suffering from the current format and would not suggest that it be changed, it has been the best source of information on the T, and with the help of members, I have learned more than I could have hoped for from local T owners.
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Learning new application software is good exercise for the brain.
The biggest problem with this forum IMHO, is that there are some great discussions covered in years past that can no longer be brought back for further discussion, clarification or questioning a method, or have new information brought into the topic in any way.
I am an odd one when it comes to change. Very quick to embrace it in some things (made my living for years doing cutting edge technology in satellite communications and RF distribution, building one of the first non-government wide area LANs). Very slow to accept change in other things. (If it works well, leave it alone! Change for the sake of change is not always good.)
I am one that wishes this site would stay this format forever, or at least as long as it remains active like it is. I want information and communication, not "glitz". I hate what Yahoo has done to my email display. I never really liked how other websites look. However, I like to think of myself as a realist. This format cannot last forever. Certainly not without real IT support, which it no longer has. And really not with the modern need to appeal to the masses, not just my minority.
With that in mind, I made myself try to work with the new MTFCI site. I learned it, at least minimally. I use it without much trouble. (I still prefer this one) I also (because of something to do with my Paige automobile) after years started checking out the AACA site. I now check it several times per week. I also (through a posted link) started reading a couple H.A.M.B threads (I really don't care for their site in general, but a couple threads are almost entirely early racing history).
If this format has to go away, I will be prepared. I hope most of my friends here will come along also. This is the best website anywhere. I want it to stay that way. It is the people that make it the best. Not the format.
Thank you Jay, and Hap, and Royce, for helping to boost the other forum as well as this one. The hobby is better off with two strong forums. I suppose now I need to check out the Fordbarn site. I haven't tried it in several years.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
I also sent you a Private Message with basically the following information:
Note when the MTFCI switched from the newer vBulletin version 5 to the vBulletin version 4.2 our accounts were transferred but the first time we try to log back on we need to reset our password/request lost password.
If you previously registered, you can reset your password on the other site by clicking on the "Lost Password Link" that is in the paragraph at the top of their forum page. Because there was a space in the link below, I could not just type it in and have it work. It would ignore the letters beyond the space. So it is actually a hyperlink - but it is the same letters, numbers, and space that you need to type into your browser to get to the password reset page on the MTFCI Forum site.
That should take you to the "recover lost password" page. Just put your e-mail address that you used to register and they will send you a new password. Then use that to log in and if it isn't easy to remember -- write it down or change it to one that is easy to remember but not easy to hack.
It is getting late, so I will try to post that on the other forum tomorrow sometime.
I would also like to thank both of our MTFCA webmaster and our MTFCI webmaster for their efforts. They both volunteer their time to provide the web sites. And thank you to all the folks that use the sites -- it helps me "snag" more body numbers etc.
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Do you have to re-register on MTFCI? I thought I did back when the new bbs came up.
I get the 403 Forbidden message.
Thanks Hap, I am back in again
For Gustaf -- I'm glad you were able to reset your MTFCI password and get back on.
For Ken –
You should not need to reregister if you registered when they first switched to the new bbs – that was vBulletin version 5. But that version 5 was not stable enough so they loaded the slightly older but more reliable ver 4.2. So you and any of the rest of us that had been registered on ver 5 will still need to reset our password before we can log into the ver 4.2 forum for the first time. That is what I did and what Gustaf did. It doesn’t take long. You can easily find out if your are or are not able to log into the MTFCI forum – just give it a try and see if it lets you log on. The link is: http://www.modelt.org/mtfcivb/ You do not need to log in just to read them – but before we can post a reply or new message we need to be logged in. When I tried to log in I could not. And then I read the part about I needed to reset my password. Once I reset my password I could log on fine.
If you were previously registered on the Ver 5 and just need to reset/create your new password you can go to the link: http://www.modelt.org/mtfcivb/login.php? do=lostpw Just type in your e-mail address that you used when you registered and they will e-mail you a temp password. When that arrives follow the directions in the e-mail and log in. Unless they send you a very easy to remember password – I would recommend change it to one you like.
You just ask a non-starter T guy a starter question. I’m sure there are others that are much better at giving advice on how to clear the 403 Forbidden message when you try to go to the web site. I googled “How of to fix 403 Forbidden message” and I now have about 2 minutes of knowledge about it. But if it is simply you are going to the wrong address – then if you click on http://www.modelt.org/mtfcivb/ that link was working for me this morning when I posted it. If you still get the message the 2 minutes of reading I did shared it is often caused by old cached windows, or cookies not enabled (I thought cookies are what we eat?), and a few other things. If you need help with those I generally recommend the kids or grandkids – they all seem to know how to do those things. If none of those are readily available, then Google and asking here is an alternative. Good luck and if you can’t figure it out easily – let us know and we will try to read some additional stuff or better yet get you in contact with someone who knows more about that subject than I do (that would be most folks).
Kind of like checking out the new T – recommend you give the MTFCI forum a test drive. We will probably have a few bumps in the road and the T may quit – oops did I forgot to turn the gas on – etc. But we can all do it. How do I know? Hey, you can drive a T – you can learn to do anything. And like Ts it is always good to have more than one.
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Thank you for helping out others, and me. I like your comment about "(websites being) like Ts, it is always good to have more than one". I may use that line myself if you do not mind.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
I have been asking, no begging, for the MTFCA to change forums and have one like most others out there. The format we use is bizarre to say the least; there is no edit function, quote function, no nothing! There's ONE forum which ends every year and has to be replaced.
A standard forum can have "general discussion", "engine / transmission", "magneto", "wheels / tires", "upholstery / top", etc, etc categories. Whatever the members want. We have plenty of experts who could help moderate each section. I really feel that if it was changed and everyone started using it, they'd love it. I know I would.
Jay, I would like to echo everyone else that your photos are always great and I appreciate them. Thanks for everything. (especially this news, it made my day!)
But Craig, I and others here are on dial up, and this forum is VERY useable on dial up. The other forum is not. Now before everyone tells me that I need to upgrade, the only upgrade available to me is satilight, which I can't spell (and spell checker can't find it), and is about $90 a month. I'm presently unemployed and can't handle any more expenses!
You may be correct but I'm not sure how. The forum format should have nothing to do with how fast the content downloads. If there are large photos or files either way, guys and gals with dialup will have a longer wait time.
Any computer people here with a comment on the 2 formats and connections?
The Forum does not end each year - that is done manually and deliberately. Otherwise there'd be years and years of messages loading up on one page - certainly not dialup friendly. As it is, my smartphone takes forever to completely load this forum, which is odd, but it's a pain.