Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach him to fish, and you've fed him for a lifetime.
That old saying can be applied to posting pictures on the forum. Some of us at the right end of the geriatric curve are befuddled enough by the task to just forgo it altogether. One solution to that is to have some younger person do it for you. But an improvement on that is to have that younger person teach you how to do it. As another old saying goes, it ain't brain surgery. If you can learn to drive a Model T, you can learn how to post pictures.
Until the software developers come along and "improve" the software. Now the fish won't take the bait. The "bait" in this case are a few pictures of a Rajo dual overhead cam conversion I saw a few weeks ago
Steve - "Some of us at the right end of the geriatric curve....."
I really like that one Steve,....it sounds so much better than...."ol' fart"!
You've come very close to describing my "situation". Ever since we went to computers when I was still working (sometime back in the '80's I guess) I've run across the same situation, time after time, after time. Those "younger persons" you speak of have not really ever done me much good. The very first "class" I attended when our department on the railroad was being "introduced" to computers, this young "teacher" (???) seemed to be much more focused on impressing us with his vast knowledge and computer expertise than actually "TEACHING" us anything. Ever since then, it seems that most times when I've asked for help on learning some some computer procedure, the person (young or old) just can't seem to come down to my level and understand that he or she is using terms that are meaningless to me, and instead of "TEACHING", invariably, they end up just doing the procedure in front of me, showing me how easy it is for them to do it, and how good they are at doing it.
Another way of saying it is,.....it is one thing to possess vast knowledge, but it is a much different thing to know how to convey that knowledge to someone else. In my opinion, it is a real GIFT to know "HOW TO TEACH". To just whip through something to show how easy it is just isn't teaching, and that seems to be what I have run across. You can "show me" a dozen times how to do something on the computer, but I just can't seem to remember how do every one of those steps and how to do them in the right order. For example, with every car I have ever owned, just to set the digital clock, I have to get the owners manual out of the glove box and do it step by step, according to the manual. And of course, every car's digital clock is different, which compares to the fact that so often, once I do finally somehow learn to do something on this computer, IT CHANGES! (Even this forum is going to change according to what I've been reading lately!)
Well, anyway, I guess what I've done here is to mostly "vent my frustration", but there it is. And while I'm "venting", really think that there are a few others like me,...."on the other end of the geriatric.....oh hell.......ol' farts like me, who's minds just don't think "computerese"! There! Now I feel better,.......harold
If you purchase a digital camera it should have a photographic program disk with it.
Open the program and read how to download a picture from your camera.
There should also be a section that tells you how big and how many pixels the picture contains. You then either make the picture less dense by reducing the number of pixels to under 60,00 kb or reduce the size of the picture which will also reduce the image size when you post,
Picture size of your post depends on the number of pixels and not the picture size. So, for instance you can have a 3 inch by 5 inch picture with s megabyte of pixels. if you make the picture one inch wide that will reduce the number of pixels and it will fit on your post.
Other than that purchase a photo modification program such as Photoshop or some other product like it, and modify your pictures using that program.
179.6 K B below
72 3.6 K B below. notice that the first one is a larger picture but both are the same size, except that the second one has more pixels so appears larger on the screen,
(Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach him to fish, and you've fed him for a lifetime).
Now he can buy Boats< Both fresh and salt water,Fuel for boat, Truck to tow the boats, Money put aside for repairs on boats and truck, Money put aside to winterize and winter storage boats, Fishing rods for every kind of fish, Ten different types of fishing line, Both fresh and salt water equipment, Lures, Ten different kinds of reels, Baits, Tackle boxes, Boots, backpacking equipment, Go to fishing seminars. There are days I wish I had never learned how to fish!!!!!!!!
And if he lives in California he can also fork out fifty bucks for a fishing license.....
I'm with you, if this forum changes then I'm back to old school "TELEPHONE, POSTAGE STAMPS
AND WORD OF MOUTH" I'm tired of having to learn
something new When the person creating it doesn't know diddly squat about what I'm trying to do (in most cases).
I can take pictures , put them in my 'puter and email them.
And I am not THAT old.
The problem is not finding a young person that knows how to post them on this site, the problem is finding a person who will show us how.
They have no patience for that sort of thing.
I agree with Harold S. I hate the way they keep changing things from what I like and what works to things that do not really work. My Yahoo now displays my email in the middle of the computer screen with large blank areas alongside the attachments which they have cut off. I imagine that my IT son could change my display, but when I watch him open and close a dozen different screens in a dozen different sub-command locations, I am lost.
A big part of the problem is that most of these computer geeks grew up playing "Super Mario Brothers". To them it is normal to "point and click" all over the place "punching bricks" trying to find the "hidden life mushroom". They DO NOT understand that most people in the world DO NOT WANT to play "hide and seek" with every little detail of everything they do.
They think nothing of hiding some necessary command in some corner of one of a hundred different pages.
Programs can be made user friendly. But humanity has a flaw in its hard-wiring. Most people work in an "us vs them" mode. They want the rest of the world to understand their way and become one of them, one of "their us". But they have no desire to understand our us. It should be all of us, using our strengths to better all of us. Even helping those that don't quite understand our us.
I would like this forum to remain the way it is. It works. It works in the real world where David Dewey cannot get high speed internet. It works in the real world where Bob McDonald struggles with a technology designed to separate him from the rest of his us.
Sadly, I know this cannot last forever. We, even Bob McD, need to try to understand these things to some extent (I don't want to lose Bob's contributions).
I've ranted long enough, got to go work on my t). To move back toward Steve's original point. We should all go fishing. But you have to teach me how.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. Teach a man how to fish and he will spend the rest of his days sitting in a boat drinking beer!
Harold and others,
If you would like some help with posting photos -- just let folks know. If it is one or two photos many of use will gladly resize them for you. We will also gladly try to give you a "checklist" to follow that will walk you through how to do it (complete with screen shots). Think back to the first time you tried to ride a bike, drive a standard shift car, or even learning to drive a T? Many times learning something new is harder than doing what we are used to doing. But I'm confident that any of us that can drive a T can post a photo etc. I suspect most of us would rather be driving the T -- but we can still learn how to post a photo if we want to.
And if we don't want to post a photo -- that's ok also. I can tell someone about my T etc. without having a photo or a photo on a computer screen to show them. For example I tell them my speedster looks really fast. Red, no fenders etc. But when I tell them it is a stock engine with only 20 hp, they understand that it looks faster than it really is by today's standards.
So would you or others like to learn how to post photos on this forum (MTFCA), the other forum (MTFCI), Ford Barn, or all three?
Hey, would you leave a guy with his Model T on the side of the road during a tour? No -- we would stop and probably stay with them until we got the problem fixed or the tow truck arrived etc.
By the way, I recently helped a new T owner. He had a two-man top on his touring but he didn't realize that the front bow needed to be moved from the lower position to the upper hole for the top to fit correctly when up and moved back to the lower hole when the top was down. He had never been around Ts before. But he didn't have any problem learning something new.
I figure if we are still vertical and moving God still wants’ us to be learning. I always like that cartoon that in the fist frame Garfiled says, "I believe God put me here on this earth for purpose." And in the second frame Garfield says, "Right now I'm so far behind I'll never die!"
If we can be of any help, please let us know.
Hap l9l5 cut off
i'm with harold too, the problem is not learning, its keeping up with the changes. remember when every radio in every car was the same? you didnt have to even look at it while driving, just reach over and there was two big ol' knobs you could feel and make it do what you want with out looking. now, every one is different and i cant do anything without looking a the inch thick manuel, cant see the 1/32 inch identity of the functions, cant do any thing while driving and if i learn, the next one will be different! remember when every phone was the same? remember when you could run a tv? i'm not just plain against progress, i do enjoy the internet as a learning tool etc, but do we really need to have every new idea thrown at us so fast there will never be a standard of how to make it work. personally, i wish my phone was dumber. sorry, a bit of ot rant
I'm with Hap on this one. I'm 59, got my computer degree in my 40's and have a teaching background as well.
Computer's aint rocket science but most of us are afraid we are going to break them when we first touch one. We CAN break them but it would be easier to break one with a front axle tweakin' tool than it would be with your fingers. Just keep your tweakin' tool in the T barn.
Harold... you KNOW how to find me!
(Chili feed tomorrow my place!)
I have no trouble with posting or pictures(at present)or any problem with this format. I was able the also operate on the other forum before the change. I was able to get it working when It first changed,then some problem and start over again. Then tried it again and got logged in can't post pictures now I can't even get in. Enough is enough. With all I like to do and all I need to due I don't need to be spending time to try to figure out changes that someone is having there fun with. The forum is for sharing information and helping other, if I can. These forums have been a great help to many lurkers, new people and participants. There is some great talent out there that we can't reach just because of all the changes, lets keep it simple like the MODEL T or we will all lose.
Rants over now back to enjoying Model T things.
Yeah, I know how ta' find ya' John. Kathy sent me to the store this morning with a list of all her "secret ingredients" and she's been hobbling around between the kitchen and pantry all afternoon work'n' on that batch of chili she's gonna' send over to your place with me. I already told her about the "must be present to win" requirement, and her response was,...."hey, I already have a trophy from last year and I just love it, and I'm just making this batch of chili for you to take because I think it's a neat event the Aldrich's are having and you can tell John and Renea that mine doesn't necessarily have to be in the competition for that matter, and I'm just glad to contribute". You know, besides her misery with her back, I think she envisions sitting around a bonfire with a bunch of old Model "T" nuts in the pouring rain and frankly, I given that some serious thought too! But I'll be there, rain 'r shine! (Long as you promise to keep yer tweak'n tool in the barn!).....harold
I took 29 pictures of "What I did today" hoping to get a couple good enough for the forum yesterday. None of them were very good so I took 39 more and found the two that I used. This discussion of quality photos makes me a little hesitant to post stuff but at the same time does make for taking better pictures.
A good photo? Nope. Sometimes you just have to go with the best you can get. There was so much contrast, with the white of the plugs against all that black of the engine, that auto exposure looked lousy. I had to use manual settings shooting, then adjust color and increase sharpness afterward. Fortunately you can improve pictures a little bit with software. This might have been better if I'd used a tripod.
Steve Jelf, just stand farther away with your camera set a high resolution. Try five feet. Then get the picture on your screen and crop it to get rid of the un-wanted parts down to the size you desire. Check the pixels to see if they are under 60kb. Adjust the picture for under 60kb, trim it and post it. It is that simple and I am 81 and counting . . . . . Slow but still able to count.
From five feet, maximum size (1.9MB) before resizing, undoctored.
Cropped and color adjusted. I still think it would have been better if I'd used a tripod.
Sorry. Couldn't help myself.
I agree with Steve, you a can almost always increase the quality of photos (of things that are not moving) by using a tripod. That is a tripod or just about anything to set the camera on and get it pointed where it needs to be. The other part of keeping the camera still is to use the in camera delay timer to prevent movement of the camera when pushing the shutter release. You can get very good results, even in poor lighting, if the camera is still during the exposure.
Here is the difference between hand held and tripod:
Franks write up about his speedster photos may be a little confusing. Both photos are not the same size or dimensions. The first larger image is 1080 x 722 pixels in size and the image file size is 72.38 KB (74,112 bytes). The second smaller photo is 800 x 535 pixels in size and image file is 179.42 KB (183,723 bytes). The image size or dimensions is not directly related to the image file size. In this case the image that displays larger has a smaller file size. You can also see that the quality of the larger image is poorer then the smaller photo.
Note that the size that an image is displayed on the screen is determined by the image dimensions in pixels and not by the file size in KB or bytes. If you right click on the photos and select "View image info" you can see both the image size or dimensions and the file size. The photo I posted above is maybe a little large for most. If you right click on it you will see it is 1,400 X 700 pixels and the file size is 170.62 KB
For posted on the web a good size is up to about 800 pixels wide and maybe 600 or 700 pixels high. There is no size (or dimension) limit you can post on this site. There is a limit on the file size and that limit is 200000 bytes or 195 KB. (1 KB = 1024).
Nice 'bo Steve. Took a little trip over to Bennett Springs I see.