My 15 touring has the old style bands with the non removable ears.
I have a set of the new style bands with removable ears and would like to install them. The Ford manual says you must remove the hogshead to get the old bands off.
I'm wondering why I can't cut one set of ears off the old style bands and slip them out just as you would the new style.
I know I'm probably missing something basic here, but I can't figure out where the problem would be.
From what I've read in the Ford service manual, it is possible to cut the old bands to remove them through the trans cover. The risky part is the modification you have to do to the low pedal shaft - you have to cut it shorter with a hacksaw and somehow keep the metal shavings out of the transmission, or they will short out the magneto eventually. Once the low pedal shaft is shortened, you have to install a new (longer) low band adjusting shaft.
If I remember right from when I recently removed the hogshead, it was possible to completely remove the pedals with the hogshead in place. Modification would then be easy.
Why destroy useable bands? Also when you modify (or replace)the low speed shaft, you want to change to the later style low speed adjuster. http://www.modeltford.com/item/3419B.aspx Also with the hogs head removed, it would be a good time to replace any worn pedal cams, and modify the hogs head to accept o-rings on the pedal shafts for oil control.
Well, this would be the last time to remove the trans cover on that engine.....
Use the removeable bands with the "button" slots instead of the "fin" style..... Needed clearance on the low trans cover casting will usually work well with the "button" style...... don't ask me how I know ..... whew !
Yeah. What Bob said.
The fin type will not slide in within the confines of a cast aluminum hogshead!
I think Bob and I leant the same way.
I'd be inclined to take the hogshead off to do it. It is not too bad of a job for a 1915. You don't have that silly starter motor to fool with. That way you can cut the 7/8" off the end of the low speed pedal without worrying about metal debris in the engine, and as John says, you can chamfer the inside of the cams and put in O rings to stop those pesky leaks. I'm generally adverse to destroying and serviceable Model T part, but there is not a whole lot of demand for original non-removable transmission bands. (If anybody wants some just let me know.)
Thanks for not asking what is the best type of transmission lining to use!
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Hey Schuh:..... Go for the wood liners !
I found with the tab type bands and new linings, even with a cast iron hogs head, hard to install.
Keith did you mean leave 7/8 stub after cutting the slow speed shaft?
Could be in the Chaffin's catalog, I think you can send your old bands in and have them converted to removable ear type.
Problem is I just removed (3 months ago) the hogshead due to a bad leak and did all the sealing, o rings, cams, etc. At the time the band linings looked good and worked well.
I am just not ready to do it again!
Didn't know about the "button" vs the "fined" removable ear bands. Of course the ones I have ate the "fined" type. Curses - foiled again !