Check this out. Interesting in that it appears to be a TT in all respects except the rear end. Also, the seller overlooked listing the fact that it has an aux. transmission
(I have no connection - just thought it is interesting.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Model-T-1922-model-tt-truck-2-speed-hd-rear-end-/22 1292656128?forcerrptr=true&hash=item338611f600&item=221292656128&pt=US_Cars_Truc ks
well, a TT except for the rear end and the frame. It's on a car chassis. It's alright, too many random accessories for my taste.
I dunno if I agree with you Jeff. I could be wrong, but the rear cross member as well as the length and the depth of the chassis rails sure looks TT to me.
I think it's a truck that someone wanted to make go faster, so they installed a regular T rear end (with Ruckstell) for that purpose.
Juice rear brakes are an inconspicuous add on
I also could be wrong, but that's a car type Ruxtell and I couldn't see the frame well, so I compared the wheelbase in the side on picture to other TT and demonstrated beyond a doubt that I have too much time on my hands today.
To get the regular Ruxtell to work, they would have needed to lengthen the drive shaft and drive shaft tube (or somehow adapted a truck drive shaft, which I think would have been more difficult) and then lengthened the shifter arm. Also done something weird with the radius rods, which would not have fit right. Also the brake rods. There is something weird going on with the drive shaft, though. so who knows...
The rear end is car and I can see a weld on the torque tube in 3 of the photos. There is also an auxiliary transmission that would account for some of the lengthening. the trick would be putting those truck wheels on a car axle shaft. Some sort of shimming I would guess.
If it is a truck frame, I'm surprised that the car rear spring fits up in the read cross-member so nicely. I would have guessed it would have been all sloppy.
It is a put-togeather from several years and styles. The cab is from a 26-27 TT as the instrument panel has the 26-27 switch unit. The firewall is probably from a 1918 or so non starter chassis as the coil box is for a nonstarter. The side lights have tail light red lenses. The chassis or frame is TT, but many components now on the truck are from a"T" truck or car. For what it is now would be fun to own, but one would have to explain all the odd stuff to a T owner.
the trick would be putting those truck wheels on a car axle shaft. Some sort of shimming I would guess.
Looks like the TT wheels' hubs were redrilled to fit car hubs on the ruxstell. Rear spring looks way too deep in the frame channel. Spring U bolts probably aren't holding much. No parking brake linkage rods to the juice brakes. Backing plates are home made. Spring perches twisted. Hogshead looks 26-27ish. Timer rod over the water pipe. Reserve probably 15K LOL
My money is on it's a truck frame with a car rear end. Each rear wheel has 12 bolts, so that would lead me to believe the rear end is car drum to drum and the wheels are redrilled to car drums. The backing plates are home made and the driveshaft has had surgery just in front of the pumpkin. Nice looking truck at first glace, but upon closer inspection I don't think I would buy it. I do like the headlight lens, anyone guess what the vertical can recessed into the body, behind the driver is for?
Hi" I think the cans are "roadside flares" but not sure...
Are you guys picking all that info off of that one photo? dang you guys are good.
If you scroll down on the auction page you will find about 4 dozen quality photos.
Donnie, good guess, I never thought of flares, but like you, I'm not sure.
Tom, the fellows on this forum are the best, anyone poses a question about anything here and someone will have something to say. I wish congress would take some lessons...
Thanks Jim, I feel better. It is a pretty cool truck.
Actually I like that TT. With the car rear axle it would NOT be smart to carry a heavy load as the bearings etc are not built for that. But it would surprise some Ts on a tour when they were not able to easily catch the TT and if they did not realize it had a regular car rear axle under it.
Im not sure why they titled it a 1922 my guess is that is the date on the title. Hopefully someone will ask for the engine number and it may show that it has a 1922 engine installed and that is why it is titled as a 1922.
Looking at the photos as mentioned by others it appears to have the 1926-27 transmission pedals,
Late 1924-27 closed cab body style (introduced Apr 9, 1924 ref: http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/A-B.htm see 1924-25 date)
1926-27 instrument panel (if original to the cab that would make the cab 1926-27 also)
1918-22 style coil box with the switch (they were used on non-starter vehicles into 1922 ref: http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/C-D.htm#cb1 )
Note it has the longer running boards introduced later in 1925.
It has the standard TT running board brackets.
Notice the spare is a 30 x 3 ½ clincher which will not fit any of the wheels on the truck.
I believe it is a truck frame. The hood on a 1919 to 1925 is 24 3/4 inches long and the 1926-27 is 26 inches long. While not a precise measurement the red line below is close to the hood length and clearly indicates the chassis longer than the 100 inch wheel base of the Model T. Truth in photo shopping but it also shows it is longer than the standard 123in wheel base of a standard Ton Truck. Perhaps originally they lengthened the frame to install the auxiliary transmission.) For those who dont like to count it is about 5 1/4 of those hood lengths for 24.75 X 5.25 or 130 inches for the wheel base. IF it was a 1926-27 car hood which I do not think it is then it would be 26 X 5.25 or 136.5 inches.
Notice also how wide the side rails are compared to a car frame.
It has the high cowl fire metal fire wall (dash) that was introduced during 1923 on the high cowl 1924 model year Fords. It has the longer reinforcements on the sides where the firewall brackets bolt on. Additionally it has the hood shelves that go with that higher and wider cowl.
If it was assembled from a lot of parts from numerous different Ts then it will still be a fun vehicle to drive but trying to further date the TT would be frustrating. If it was from one basic TT that had other parts added and subtracted such as the rear axle, then I would give it a 50/50 chance of having a serial number on the top side of the frame indicating it was assembled after Dec 1925 and it started life as a 1926 or 1927 TT. And always the optimist there is a very slim chance that it might even be higher than 15,000,000.
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