What will the WARFORD transmission do for a Model T. How many gears for high and low? How do they work. How to install? Thank you.
I just bought a T with a Warford without ever having one and as a newbie my rating is great! Warfords have an unerdrive, direct-drive and an overdrive. My direct-drive is normal Model T speeds but I can pop that Over-drive and on a nice flat road the engine doesn't even labor and I am above 45 easily, or quietly cruising at 35-40 without engine work. The nice part is that you then get a real neutral! The shifting is smooth and easy and I never thought I'd care for it or even need it- but I like it!
Hi: Does anyone have any comments on old Warford vs new Warford. I have a nice original Warford that came from a TT that I sold. I kept the Warford because it was complete and had all the brackets braces, factory shortened driveshaft and radius rods ect. Inside I see little to no wear. How noisy are the originals. Is it the same trans used in the cars other than the drive shaft and radius rods. Do they shift hard. Are they prone to get in neutral. or any other concerns. Thanks...
My new KC warford is noisy but it works great. I can shift into any of the 3 gears at any speed...though who would want to go into low at 30MPH. With a Warford and a Ruckstell you sometime have to scratch your head to remember what to shift next.
I have had three T's with old Warfords and two with the new Layne Warfords. The old ones require double clutching and careful synchronization of engine and vehicle speeds. The Layne Warford is shifted up and down without the clutch and I can now beat Overhead valve T's with counterbalanced cranks with my flathead T with a T crank.
Lane Warfords are constant mesh and you do not shift them they have dog clutches and you simply move the lever a half inch to get the next gear. If your Layne Warford is noisy you may have alignment issues in your drive line.
Frank, when in neutral the durn thing is quiet (cause nothing is spinning, I guess). When I shift into any gear, with the T lever in neutral, things get a bit noisy. I have the Warford supported even though the manufacturer says it's not necessary.
My KC Warford is a little noisy too. Frank, if alignment is the culprit, what would you suggest! I too have an extra cross member to support the trans, with a spring loaded yoke to absorb any vibration, while maintaining support for the trans.
The whole driving experience is different. The box is a delight to use. I use Ford low and warford low to get under way, let the pedal up for Ford high, and then Warford direct for standard T top gear. The overdrive in the Warford is a real bonus in flat country.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Allan from down under.
Well, I have 2 KC's and one original. With out exception, the KC's are noisy when in overdrive. Underdrive and straight drive are OK but the overdrive really sings. The operation is good. They shift good and the changes in ratios are what one would expect so the results are very positives. Just wish the noise problem could be resolved. My original Warford does not have the noise problem but does require some practice in shifting when done on the fly. Over all I will say the KC's are worth the noise set when judged against the positive benefits you get with the over/under/straight/netural features. KC would do well to address the noise issue but beyond that they are good units.
Just a reminder, you must have good auxiliary brakes with the old Warford. If you get trapped in neutral you don't have the transmission brake.
Neither one of my Layne Warfords are noisey in any of the gears and I do not have an extra crossmember or spring to support them. To re-align them you might loosen up all of the bolts and then re-tighten them step by step. Don't tighten them all at once.
My old Warfords sang in overdrive but the new ones are super quiet. Mine are about five years old and perhaps there are issues with the later ones. In the very beginning they were taking your old gear box and putting their constant mesh gear set in your case. This had issues and they then began making their own gear boxes.
Do they sell shortened driveshafts and tubes as well? I've had 2 Jumbos for several years and never used them because I've never made time to try and do all the work to shorten everything. If I could buy all new I'd sell the originals and enjoy under and over drive the way I want to.
Hey Craig, Texas T parts sells the shortened drive shafts and tubes. The shaft is only $100 or so and is a completely new piece machined at the right length. They also sell the shortened tubes but prefer to get a core for those.
Thanks Seth. I may call them and talk about the length of my Jumbo vs a new Warford. If they are the same I'll definitely order a set. There are just too many hills around my house not to give it a try (anything has to be better than crawling up a hill with the pedal pushed in the whole time).