09, 10, 11 pin-stripes question

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner, Vancouver, WA on Monday, October 14, 2013 - 10:50 pm:

Moving this from another thread. Many of the super nice Ts of the early years have some variety of pin-striping. My question is how much of that was done at the factory, by the dealer, or by the restorer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 01:14 am:

Erich-
Pin striping was done at the factory on cars up through 1913, however, it seems that many cars pictured in original photos from the era do not show pin striping. Of course cars in original photos could have been repainted and pin striping covered.

Early cars had very elaborate pin striping. Generally, the stripe was anywhere from 1/2" to 1" away from a body bead. Most were about 3/4" away from a bead.


By 1911 there was no chassis pin striping. By late 1911 there was no fender pin striping and the stripe appeared only on the body from the doors up. Here is a late 1911 RHD in New Zealand



The stripe on 1912 cars followed the door contours both above and below the doors.



By 1913, it seems that only a few were pin striped.

Pin striping was done by hand and each pinstriper did things a little differently. Many restored cars today have gaudy or incorrect pin striping. the best source for pinstripe in original photos.

Hoods had a stripe that runs along each side of the center hinge and down the front and back. Sometimes the stripe went across the bottom by the latches, and former one big box. Originally there were no small boxes on the upper and lower parts of the hoods.



Wheels were like this with either one or two stripes on the felloe.



I'm sure others will add more.

: ^ )

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Findlay on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 02:26 am:

I'm interested in how the 09's were striped? Anybody have original factory pictures showing this??
Ken


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Chantrell - Adelaide, Australia on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 08:58 am:



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 09:10 am:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner, Vancouver, WA on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 10:16 am:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner, Vancouver, WA on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 10:20 am:

So I can see the factory set up with a bunch of guys doing wheels as fast as possible, but the bodies I assume would have been pin-striped after assembly? Maybe multiple guys doing each side? I can see room for variation on each car from wheel to wheel or left side to right?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 10:52 am:

I saw a great pair of 30X3 wheels at Hershey. They were in mint condition, and had never been restored. The felloes had a double stripe, and each spoke had the V starting at the hub flange, and terminating about 2" from the felloe.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 03:44 pm:

Somewhere, years ago, I saw a photo showing a painter pin-striping a touring body. The body was sitting on stands in a small factory like setting.

Now. Pure speculation on my part.
The pre all black bodies used slower drying paints that took nearly a month to complete the painting process. Much of that time, the bodies sat around storage areas. It would not have cost much to have had painters walk through and do the striping shortly before the paint was hard enough to handle for the final assembly process.
Striping was a holdover from the Victorian era. Before the automobile "came into its own", striping was expected. It was needed as part of marketing to attract many potential buyers. As Henry cut back on many things to cut the costs lower, it made sense to eliminate striping as it was totally unnecessary once people became more interested in buying a car, than in buying a piece of drivable art.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 09:19 pm:

Jim-
That red car is a perfect example of wrong hood pin-striping! There should be no little boxes!

On the all-but-black color of blue, the pinstripe was French Gray, which has a slight sea-foam green cast to it.. And the stripe is fairly narrow. Only about 3/32" wide.

Don Ellis just did some pin-striping. Don, do you have any pics to share?


-Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John F. Regan on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 10:33 pm:

The reason that many car pictures from the early era appear to not show striping is that typically you can hardly see the striping on a car at even moderate distances away. It was rather narrow and muted. Almost every restored car I have seen lately has striping that is way too wide and bold. It was a subtle accent and not a main feature and was only on the car to show that the car was manufactured by a quality manufacturer. Striping was indeed a carry over from a previous era but that was the era of the carpet baggers which came after the civil war. There were so many hucksters and cheats that people began to be suspect of quality of just about anything. Striping and decoration was only done by companies trying to show they were a "quality house" and most advertising was not about the item itself as much as it was about the reliability of the manufacturing company and their reputation for fair dealing and quality. It was all part of what was necessary to market a product made by a company that was not local and not yet well known and respected. Most shabby products were sold by slick sales people and folks were leery of items not manufactured locally by someone they knew and trusted.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By don ellis on Sunday, October 20, 2013 - 05:57 pm:

Here is a couple of pictures of mine


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