Help, I think my starter went bad. I was going to take the car out for a drive, after it turned over several times the starter just was spinning , not turning over the engine and making a grinding noise.
Randy Glowacki, Parsippany, NJ
Sounds like a broken bendix spring.
DO NOT think you can just unbolt the starter and pull it out....
Today I started my model T after several months and it was having hard time to start since I leave it dry with out any gas in it. After I while I started hearing sounds like it is going to fire up but I heard metal noise clunk and that is it, if I hit the starter button, I hear buzz. I went in the from to try to rotate with starter rod in the front and when I turn it has compression but it is moving little bit easily.
I hope it did threw a rod or anything, from the OP it sounds like starter gave on mine too
I know I would have to take the bendix out from the back of the starter first
Randy GlowackiParsippany NJ
First step for both of you would be to remove the bendix cover and check the spring. Shine a light in the hole and check the teeth on the flywheel ring gear. Hopefully, each of you find a broken spring!
How to remove the bendix cover and where is it, any pictures you can share. Is there is shop manual or instruction to do this, I never worked on T besides just changing my Carb gaskets.
But I work on my other trucks.
Thank you Mike
I will crawl under the car tomorrow and take off the cover, hopefully it's just a broken spring
You can tell a lot about the starter by removing the bendix cover from the back side. Could be a broken spring or a broken bolt holding the end of the spring or the bolt has fallen out. Other thing would be loss of teeth on the flywheel gear, but they usually don't break off completely, just wear so that the bendix jams against them.
You need to get the Model T service manual and the booklets from the club on Engine, Electrical System, Transmission and Rear axle. Between these books you will get many pictures and instructions on how to repair the vehicle.
Although the engine can be crank started without fixing the starter, it is a very good idea to remove the bendix cover to see if any parts might have fallen into the crankcase. If the bolts or other parts fall in, it could cause worse damage than just a broken bendix spring.
Bendix cover is on the front side of hogs head from the starter, under the peddles. The black Model T repair manual "TheBible" available from all the vendors has a step by step guide for most repairs you will ever need to do on your T.
If you pull up the floorboards, you'll see the Bendix cover on the driver's side, next to the transmission. When you pull the cover, loosen but don't remove the screw closest to the transmission. Also, be careful not to lose the screws, they are an oddball size and hard to find. Here is what you'll see once you remove the cover, it's the Bendix assembly.
Thanks Mike and Norman, iis the bendix opposite to the starter on same side with 4 screws next to the pedal?
Look under the left side of the hood and find the starter, but, DON'T TRY TO REMOVE IT. The starter has a long shaft that sticks through the hole and has the bendix mounted to it. The bendix cover looks like a can that's held to the hogs head (transmission cover) by 4 screws--it's under the pedals.(see Mark's pic above) You really need to get a copy of "The Ford Service Manual", available from any of the vendors. What you don't know CAN hurt you, for example, if you try to remove the starter before removing the bendix, you'll destroy the magneto field coil. Steve will tell you some books you need, but, you need this book immediately. Good luck.
Just a thought, Put a rag in there so no loose parts fall into the engine. That happens and you will have a whole new out look on life
Thanks Mike, I did open the Bendix cover and found broken spring, attaching my image.
Do they sell those springs? and how do I bend the washer locks on the bolt, is it like just put a flat or any way best or is there a trick to straighten. My ring gear teeth doesnot look that nice, they look worn out but it is starting the engine now.
Where are you? Go to the home page of this site and click on parts suppliers. There are also some overseas suppliers I've heard of.
When I replace the spring I usually replace the spring bolt with it, It is just a few dollars more and you get new washers with the bolt kit. The end bolt has a point that goes into the starter shaft that some times wears.
You can get the parts at Lang's, Snyder's, or Bob's antique parts. They are a common part and should be available at anyone that sells Model T parts.
I am in Fairfax, VA so I am local. I will tried to order those parts. Felt really bad to break anything in my Model T
Model T Ford Service Manual
Item Number : T1
Year : 1909-1927
This is the number from Lang's and it's $29.95 and worth twice that much! The 1st chapter is "Disassembling the car". It covers removal, repair, and replacement of everything on the T.
Answer to your previous question is a screwdriver and hammer to straighten out the tab on the washer, to remove the bolt, and channelocks to bend it back in lock position. That's why you get spares--the tab breaks. Without the tab, the bolt backs out, makes a ridge around the cover until it splits and pours massive amounts of oil out of your engine--not a good thing!
Thanks Mike, ordered the parts, 10 bucks and hopefully that fixes my problem