went to start t had the timing lever down the motor turned and back fired now the motor wont turn over even with the crank what happened
More than likely your starter bendix stuck. Try moving the hand brake all the way forward and then rocking the car back and forth. That will usually free it up. Nothing really to worry about. It's happened to us all at one point or another.
Bent axle in the starter? Roll the car back and forward in gear = with the brake handle forward and the bendix gear may untangle from the ring gear. Then use the hand crank until you can repair or exchange the starter..
You may have to loosen the starter bolts some to make it easier for the bendix gear to spring back.
The starter is probably locked up. Rock the car forward and backwards to try to disengage the starter from the ring gear.
Do not try to remove the starter without having removed the bendix! You'll ruin your magneto!
Before next engine start, please read the following
There you will find;
Where should these levers be when starting the Engine? Answer No. 5
The spark lever should usually be fully retarded (all the way up on the quadrant, the notched half-circle on which the levers operate). The throttle should usually be placed in about the fifth or sixth notch. A little experience will soon teach you where these levers should be placed for proper starting. Care should be taken not to advance the spark lever too far, as the engine may "back kick."
You see, spark lever up.
Best regards, Sven
I tried that still tighter then a frog
Did you loosen the starter bolts?
Maybe you have to demount the starter completely? Then you must start with the bendix, accessible from the rear side of the hogshead. See this post for example: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/395913.html
Got it took starter out bendex locked up thank for the help
Hi: Sounds like starter locked up but what about a broken crankshaft. ??? can it lock a engine. ??
I would take off the bendix cover and make sure the back fire did not screw anything up.
Translated into proper (ordinary) English, I suppose that Paul Beedle, in his last post, meant to say: "I took the starter out. The bendix was locked. Thank you for your help." Is my translation correct?
It would be nice if those who post messages to this website would bother to use proper (ordinary) English grammar.
Donnie, sure many things that can break inside the engine can also lock it up - but usually it's not the crankshaft that fails when trying to start the engine with advanced timing - "if it sounds like horses, think horses, not zebras"
Max, I could understand what Paul was telling us & I'm not a native speaker. It's important to write so others can understand, but I think it's also important to avoid scaring anybody off from asking here - this is not an english teacher's convention, it's the worldwide Model T enthusiast's virtual campfire where we welcome newcomers and tries to help them
I would suggest Paul that you check the entire spark advance control for slop and repair anything you find. Then I would suggest that you check your timing to see if it's improperly advanced when you have the spark lever completely retarded for starting. Something caused that backfire and it should be corrected.
Garnet, Paul said the timing lever was advanced when he attempted to start the engine.