Any idea where I can get a set of bolts that attach the hood former to the body? Would these just be plain old carriage bolts?
I called Lang's and looked in Snyder's...no help.
Chafins and lang's both carry them.
I believe the proper name for that style of bolt is a "step bolt" - it has a rather large diameter head compared to an "off the shelf" carriage bolt.
Ok, thanks guys.
You won't fine step bolts at a big box hardware store. You'll need to find an olde tyme hardware store.
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Bob's Antique Auto has some NOS ones. They're nice.
So....it appears, from an old photo I dug up, that there are (on each side)of the hood former a step bolt (labeled 'a'), and a square headed bolt (labeled 'b'). Correct?
Way down on the bottom of each side is another hole. It is much smaller and is a round, not a square hole. What is correct for this hole???
Thanks again...I hate to be picky, but want to get it correct.
Michael, my 1915 did not have a bolt where you show the square head bolt. Perhaps that is a later addition.
Hope this helps.
Allan fro down under.
yes..thanks Allan. I've been searching around for some close up of that area and don't see them yet either. Kind of curious.
I vote NO on the square bolt (b). Have never seen that FWIW.
I have always assumed the small hole took a round head wood screw. Maybe a #10. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyone else know of the extra mystery holes 'b'?
Now what am I to do? fill them and repaint the hood former, or go ahead and use them????
Blacksmith Bolt Company in Portland, Oregon has a lot of old fashioned step bolts and other neat stuff too.
Please see my 16 hood former,
If you want the car perfect and as it was originally and nobody has any proof of the extra bolts ever being used you could fill them or find another hood former.
However you could consider them to be an aftermarket fix or addition just like a spot light or tool box or anything else that could have been added to a car back then. A conversation piece. It all depends on what you like.
Here is a shot from inside the cab where these 'extra bolts' would be attached. It appears whomever did this also reenforced the cab.
I don't believe that little moon shaped cutout is correct for a 16 either, no?
Your cowl is from a much later body.
The notch came into existence during the 1917 Model year because the radiator radius rod is higher on the black radiator cars.
The extra holes came even later, around 1920 and I believe the metal strap later than that.
I also see you have angle iron brackets where the body meets the cowl. That also indicates you have a later body.
In your profile photo, I see that you have square top bows which are 1918 -22 model years.
Your armrests appear to have a narrow profile, which I believe indicates a 1921 or 1922 body.
I found another photo of your car on the forum and see that you do have the wide armrests so I'll rule out 1921 and 1922.
"Now what am I to do? fill them and repaint the hood former, or go ahead and use them????"
Michael -- To be "correct," you could repair the holes and fill/repaint the hood former. Or, if that's not important to you, you could replace the square-head bolts with carriage bolts like the real ones for a lot less trouble. BTW, those '15-16 hood formers are somewhat expensive, and they're not being reproduced. Good used ones usually go for about $100-150, and they'll need some work and paint.
Thanks everyone or your kind help. I think I'll just fill the holes in the hood former and leave the body as is.
I wonder what they'll think in a hundred years?
I have nos ones,Bob