2 7/8" wide Hayes rim vs. 3 15/16" rim

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: 2 7/8" wide Hayes rim vs. 3 15/16" rim
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Defosse on Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - 06:12 pm:

I recently purchased a 1924 Roadster and am in the process of mounting new tires. I noticed that one of the rims was wider. I measured all of the others and they were 2 7/8", but the one was 3 15/16. It is a Hayes also and the diameter and lugs are in the correct position as well as the valve stem hole. Can I mount the new Wards Riverside tire on this wide rim as I want to use it as a spare. I will be using a new tube and flap.
Gary


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, October 24, 2013 - 02:02 pm:

I believe your oddball is probably for Chevrolet. Sometimes people adapt them to use on Fords by moving the stem hole and filling in the slotted lug.

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/179374/244227.html?1323379048

My guess is that the same tires will fit both rims, but I'd check with one of the tire dealers to be sure.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Layden Butler on Thursday, October 24, 2013 - 05:17 pm:

Since the rim on Model T wheels fits up against the felloe on the back side, a wider rim will stick out over the felloe on the hubcap side. The lugs will not rest properly on the felloe to support the rim. Can you post a picture of the latch mechanism on your wide rim?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Defosse on Thursday, October 24, 2013 - 07:34 pm:

Steve, Thanks for the website. These was some good info. there. Layden, I will try to get a picture on here tomorrow. If I remember correctly, the lugs did mate up with the felloe snugly when I tried it. I'll check tomorrow.
Gary


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Thursday, October 24, 2013 - 10:58 pm:

Gary, have you got the measurements correct? There is a difference of 1 and 1/16 of an inch!

The Chev rims Steve mentioned are about 3/8" wider than a T rim. Not only do you have to shift the valve hole to make them fit a T, the lug closest to the valve hole is slotted so the rim can be dropped over that bolt.

Layden is correct in that the rim fits up against the back of the felloe but the lugs do not bind hard on the outside of the felloe. If this does happen it indicates that the felloe is worn, perhaps because a rim has been loose at some time, and this allows the rim to go too far onto the felloe.

If your wide rim is 3 and 15/16" wide, the lugs will be nowhere near the outside of the T felloe. Such a wide rim will stretch a T clincher tyre so much it would look way undersize.

Or have I missed something? Not that unusual!

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Defosse on Thursday, October 24, 2013 - 11:26 pm:

Allan, My bad! My original message states that the width of the wide rim was 3 and 15/16". That was a typo. Should have read 3 and 5/16". Thanks to all of you for your input. I may have to invest in a T rim.
Gary


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Defosse on Friday, October 25, 2013 - 07:55 pm:

Thanks guys for all the help. I have learned a lot about wheels and rims . I think I will just invest in a good used wheel, and forget about the wide wheel that I have.
Gary


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