i am rebuilding my 27 touring, i was looking at a 26 truck last week that a guy is rebuilding and he has two brackets coming from the frame to the hog head , one on each side, is this something that is just made up or is this a standard part. i haven't seen one before.
If they are from the crank case arm bolts to the bolts that hold the hogshead to the back of the block, then they are something that the '26's & '27's did have when they left the factory...
Parts #3116 & #3117.
You need to get the maid in there...that motor's pretty dusty.....
That dust is just icing on the cake - there's probably 90 years of crusty, greasy preservative under that dust.
Many years ago, when my friends and I used to go to junkyards (auto recycling centers) for Mopar parts, I always sought out the greasiest, crusted parts I could find, they were always the best preserved once the crust was cleaned off.
Were those things commonly removed or not? My '26 Tudor had the dustguards in it but not those supports. By the look of the grime on the dustguards, they hadn't been touched. I traced my engine number back too early December 1925, but it is clear;y a 26-27 style engine and transmission.
I suspect that's a part that often gets lost, like engine pans and radiator aprons.
Kevin, the brackets weren't introduced until 1926 production had ran for some months, so perhaps your car was one of the last without them?
They help reduce side movement in the pan arms and may reduce the risk for breaking. Ford dropped the wood blocks in the frame of the TT trucks when they got brackets so I think you can drop the blocks from a car too if you install them. Old ones are often seen at eBay and repros are available from the vendors, but before paying $29.50 I'd try make them myself first http://www.modeltford.com/item/3116-17.aspx
If the bosses on the back of the block are tapped those brackets should be fitted. Some very, very early '26 blocks had untapped bosses
Looks like the ones in Steves picture got pretty bent up. They should be straight. I had a real late '25 block once that had the boss, but no holes, and it was a pre '26 engine number too.
Steve, interesting - have you seen an engine with the boss on the rear without holes? Did it have a 1919-25 type hogshead without fastening holes to the block? Did you note the number of the engine?
Craig Anderson has a Fordor made in july 1925(#12,210,xxx). It has the wide pedals but the old style hogshead and narrow brake drum in the trans: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/257047/285201.html?1337287016
Perhaps it has the boss on the engine undrilled, haven't seen any pictures of that area.
My july 27 1925 engine = made after all production switched over to the improved style at #12,218,728 has tapped holes and came with all the improved characteristics but not the support straps to the pan arms.
The encyclopedia says the straps were introduced in november 1925: http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/doc25.htm
"NOV 16 Engine production records, Ford Archives
100% of production now used the support straps at the rear of the engine block."
steve I just wanted to tell you yes the bosses in the block are tapped, so I think I will probably make some. Since I have never seen any before I didn't know if they should be on there.
Snyder's carries new ones - T-3116, if you can't find a set of originals
Someone is selling a pair of them on ebay (not me):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Model-T-Ford-1926-1927-Engine-to-Frame-Strengthening-Bra ckets-/231080473251?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35cd7832a3&v xp=mtr
Those are easy to make. Just get a piece of flat galvanized steel from Home Depot or other store and twist it to fit. Then drill the holes in the appropriate places in bolt in. You might need slightly longer bolts on the crankcase ears. Those will help you with the larger brake bands which cause the engine to twist when applied. They also help to keep the crankcase from bending. The 4 dip crankcase is a little weaker than the 3 dip. Henry used those straps, the 2 bolts from hogs head to block and the two reinforcing corners under the crankcase where the hogs head and block come together. All these reinforcements should be on your engine and will make things stronger.