How can I separate the transmission from the engine?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: How can I separate the transmission from the engine?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls, WI on Sunday, November 03, 2013 - 10:38 pm:

I removed the four bolts that hold the transmission on the engine. I think the last person to install them was a gorilla. I have the engine on a stand and the tranny will not separate even when lowered down - should it not just fall off?

What is my next step? Thank you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Sunday, November 03, 2013 - 10:44 pm:

A piece of 2x4 and a BAH. It is just stuck with oil residue/rust. An extra pair of hands or a chain to prevent it from falling is probably a good idea.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kohnke Rebabbitting on Sunday, November 03, 2013 - 10:44 pm:

You have two dowel pins holding it, Be Careful!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Sunday, November 03, 2013 - 11:14 pm:

Dave, if you have it on an engine stand, set the motor vertical with the trans on top. That way when it breaks loose from the dowels it will not crash onto the floor.
As Herm says, be careful.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls, WI on Sunday, November 03, 2013 - 11:50 pm:

Jack and Herm

I slowly turned it over thinking it would drop like the last one did and had a 2x6 for it to drop on. I shook it a lot and it still did not break loose.

I thought it was only 2 dowels and some surface tension holding it together, but when it didn't break loose I guessed there might be something I missed. 2x4 here we come. Tranny looks good, but coils need to be replaced.

Thank you again.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, November 04, 2013 - 12:35 am:

What a stupid pile of work. Why doesn't somebody make a two piece coil assy that you could replace by just removing the hogshead?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Monday, November 04, 2013 - 12:46 am:

You'd still have to take the original off.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, November 04, 2013 - 12:39 pm:

That's what a saw is for, Jack. Yeah, the two mounting bolts would be a pain to reach. Could you pull a couple of magnets to get at them?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Monday, November 04, 2013 - 02:19 pm:

Last I checked,there are four bolts holding the field coil to the block.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Monday, November 04, 2013 - 03:48 pm:

You gonna solder the coils back together or just use spade terminals?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Conger on Tuesday, November 05, 2013 - 06:10 am:

Ricks

will you buy a two piece coil if one is made available?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Tuesday, November 05, 2013 - 08:25 am:

No, Scott, I wouldn't. The low tension magneto was put there to power the obsolete buzz coils, rather than pay royalties for a high tension magneto or a disturbutor. Notice no other car ever had one. I believe it was Henry's biggest mistake on the Model T, and he was too proud to admit it. It was expensive, too.

Hal, there would be lots of good ways to splice the wire.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Tuesday, November 05, 2013 - 12:03 pm:

On all the engines I have worked on, I have a helper with me and we turn the engine with transmission up, and I get on one side and the helper on the other side. After the 4 bolts are removed we take turns like a teeter totter one pulls up the other pushes down and it loosens up. Then we carry it over to the bench. Have the bench cleared of anything metalic so that the magnets don't pick up anything.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Anthonie Boer on Tuesday, November 05, 2013 - 12:52 pm:

Dave , this is my great help.
Toon
538R


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willie K Cordes on Tuesday, November 05, 2013 - 03:10 pm:

Ricks, it sounds like you should sell the T and get you a Chevy or VW. They are built different and you would not have these problems.
It would be a ways to drive for me, but I could haul your junk T to the scrap yard.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Tuesday, November 05, 2013 - 03:34 pm:

I don't have these problems, Willie, as both my cars came without Ford magnetos 15 years ago. Why is that, do you suppose? Henry Ford was a great man, who also refused to pay any patent royalties. He even screwed Spider Huff out of the royalties on the low tension magneto.

There are 3 books full of aftermarket parts. There may even be a two piece magneto coil assy.

Would you deny all aftermarket parts a place in history?

"The modifications on MY car make it safer, more reliable and improve itís appearance. The modifications on YOUR car are unnecessary, troublesome, gaudy and ruin the whole character of the Model T!"


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