Band lining replacement step-by-step

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Gotesman on Tuesday, November 05, 2013 - 11:50 pm:

Good day!
Last Saturday me and my friend replaced band linings on my T - and I tried to imprint every step and describe all difficulties we met during this work.
Please, forgive me mistakes in English :-)

So, by the end of the season, it became obvious that band linings are nearly finished: Lizzy's brake efficiency was just better than lorry train has, low gear was jerking when turned on.

I decided to buy kevlar linings - and after 1,5 months got them with bands seting tool (it was very useful!) and transmission manual (it was unuseful this time, because there were no information about bands replacing without full transmission overhauling):
www.modeltford.com/item/3416BKL.aspx 1 = 85$
www.modeltford.com/item/3416T.aspx = 10$
www.modeltford.com/item/RM5.aspx = 12$

We used advices from previous thread - http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/375960.html?1374769131
Mostly - Andre Valkenaers's recommendations

1. At the beginning:
Transmission closed

2. After opening the transmission cover, we pulled some fabric between drums and transmission case wall - in order not to lose nut and washer when removing. First was brake pedal removed. Nwxt - for removing low gear band - it is enough to screw out adjusting rod - we can't remove it entirely because of exaust pipe - but it was enough.

Brake pedal removed

3. Then the reverse pedal. The same operation as with brake pedal - free band's end falls into transmission case - so it is needed a hook to hook it up: this action is multiplied many times - so we had this skill up :-)

Reverse pedal removing

It was neccessary to unscrew bendix cover - to let the reverse pedal be removed entirely

4. Detaching band's ear. Should be careful - not to lose the ear in the case. Anyway - we lost one while installing later - and catched it with magnet.


5. Hooking up eared end of the band - and taking the band off the transmission band. My mistake was that I moved the band to tripple gears - and it was sticked there. I was forced to push a car forwards and back to move the drums - and free the band. Next two bands were slided to reverse drum and removed along it.


6. Riveting new linings using piece of wood.


TO BE CONTINUED


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Gotesman on Tuesday, November 05, 2013 - 11:55 pm:

CONTINUE:

Something bad with pictures uploading - so it will be links now...

http://a.a.d-cd.net/f133984s-480.jpg - new linings

http://c.a.d-cd.net/af33984s-480.jpg - riveting on a piece of wood

http://d.a.d-cd.net/2273984s-480.jpg - fixing a rivet from inside

http://d.a.d-cd.net/3973984s-480.jpg - ready for installation


7. Installing was not difficult with instalation tool - the only problem was that reverse band didn't want to get to it's drum from the drum border - we had to assemble 2 other bands - and then reverse band found it's place

That is the result :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, November 06, 2013 - 12:16 am:

In case anybody's wondering about that gloved hand, the forecast for Tula calls for a high of 37 F today and a low of 26.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Gotesman on Wednesday, November 06, 2013 - 12:21 am:

It was +10C :-) And it is working glove


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kerry van Ekeren (Australia) on Wednesday, November 06, 2013 - 12:51 am:

Michael,
They look o'so nice and clean, did you oil soak them?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Gotesman on Wednesday, November 06, 2013 - 12:52 am:

Yes - after installing - 3 times before closing the door


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By michael grady on Wednesday, November 06, 2013 - 08:45 am:

Steve: Atlanta..high 70, low 54. Sorry about your luck.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Anthonie Boer on Wednesday, November 06, 2013 - 09:15 am:

Michael :
Here are some pictures how I do Band lining replacement
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Toon


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Wednesday, November 06, 2013 - 11:45 am:

Very nice tooling & craftsmanship, Toon !Here's my riveting machine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Gotesman on Thursday, November 07, 2013 - 05:19 am:

How long will bands serve? 1000km, 5000km, 10000?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Kable on Thursday, November 07, 2013 - 05:49 am:

Would depend on conditions. Where you drive , mountains, flat country, weight of vehicle. etc

I have rock Mountain brakes but low has done over 20,000kms on my Kamper. Reverse has a cotton band but its been there the same distance. These Kms across the USA and here in Australia.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Thursday, November 07, 2013 - 08:21 am:

Very nice Michael. Thanks for taking the time to post this! I have to do this job shortly and it will be a big help!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Gotesman on Monday, November 11, 2013 - 01:06 pm:

Good luck, Bud!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andre Valkenaers on Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - 02:07 am:

Bud and Michael,

A few months ago someone told me to cut the Kevlar band in two. At the middle of the band there should be a 1 inch space between the two half linings.
The reasons:
- Better lining fitting in the band and around the drums. Less drag so also less head so the risk to crack a drum will be less.
- More oil between the band lining and the drum. Also better cooling so less heat.

Good luck

Andre
Belgium


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Gotesman on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - 03:29 pm:

Too late, Andre)))


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joseph A. Stearns on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - 09:22 pm:

Thank you Michael for posting your method and good pictures. Your English is just fine. My Russian is zero. Happy Model "T' ing". Joe


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - 10:16 pm:

Michael

Thanks for taking the time to post your experiences. I am facing this job shortly and they will be a big help!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andre Valkenaers on Thursday, November 14, 2013 - 01:43 am:

Watch also this.
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/375649.html?1375578307
It talks about the transmission rebuild and the way it should be done by Kohnke Rebabbiting. It was on this forum between July 20 and August 03 2013.

Andre
Belgium


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ED Henline on Thursday, November 14, 2013 - 09:53 am:

Mike: you missed the very first step, REMOVE key from switch so it won't have a chance to fall in transmission. ED


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Gotesman on Thursday, November 14, 2013 - 12:39 pm:

Ahhhh)) So it was a good luck that it didn't)))


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