Is it bad to have a local tire business put the tire on the wheel? I give up. We tried warming up the rubber, used soap, WD40, but got so frustrated I want take it and see if Tire Village can do it. Just didn't know if the modern machine will ruin the model t rims. Thanks in advance. bob
Here is an older thread on the subject:
The key seems to be to mount the rim onto the wheel and the wheel onto the car, that way you're not wrestling around on the floor trying to keep the rim from moving around.
Royce, you've mounted a lot of tires, can you provide some tips?
Robert I used go-jo on my rims. Auto Zone has a cheap brand that is pretty much the same thing.
I use a rubber tire mallet when installing the tire on the rim. Once I get it started it goes on fairly easy.
The trick for me is getting the bead to start. Once it starts then I use the rubber mallet.
I would ask the guys at the local tire shop if they want to try it.
Model T rims are tough BUT not as tough as modern rims.
Try a tire shop/store that will do truck/farm/and ag! My local shop where i buy all my [normal] tires will mount my clinchers and model A tires in a flash!! Of course when i pay the bill i'm not cheap with the help!! Once after getting my first all white clinchers mounted i took a picture and ran a add in the local ragg that said if Bowland Tire can do Bud DeLong's tires,i'll bet they can do yours!! Nope not rich but when i stop either in a T or semi i get fast friendly help!! Bud.
The trick with a modern rim is to keep the tire in the low spot on the rim between where the tire sits on the beads. That allows some clearance since the part of the tire is sitting in a spot that's a smaller diameter than where it'll actually mount. Now of course T rims don't have that low spot so it takes some know how to mount them. I know my last T had 2 tires that were done by a tire shop because the former owner was too old to tackle the job but he did ask first.
It would be helpful to know if your working with clinchers, split rims, or wire wheels. I wouldn't think you have split rims as they are a snap to mount if the rims are in good condition.
By any chance are you trying to put a 30 X 3 1/2 tire on a 30 X 3 rim?
Especially Hap's diagram in that thread
I just helped a guy put 2 new 30X3-1/2's on rims yesterday and it took about 15-20 minutes per tire will no slime added. He had a jig on the bench that held the rim still.
His profile picture shows a '12 touring with demountable clinchers.
I took my TT rear wheels to the local tire shop because they have snap rings, but I don't understand the trouble some folks have with clinchers. I think I may have spent about fifteen minutes a tire on mine. I wish I could see what you're doing. Maybe I'd have some idea why you're having trouble with them.
I don't know what everyone is doing wrong on mounting tires...? I de-mounted one of mine on my 1915 project car in 15 min. Saturday and keep in mind I didn't do it the easy way like Royce has shown so many times to do it. I took out the bearing pulled the whole wheel put in a new tube and put everything back in 35 min total and used nothing but my hands 90% of the way.
Only tool I have is a Model A tire iron, first I walk the bead down in order to break the tire loose, take the tire iron, lift approx: 5" on the bead up then pull the tire off the rim by hand on one side, pull out the tube, I then roll the bead off the back side on the rim by hand to get the whole tire off the rim.
Re-install I stuff the tube inside the tire, put in a small amount of air just to hold the tube in place, I now use a lube soapy water, armorall, tire wet...ect to go around the bead, then I sit the wheel /rim back into the tire line up the valve stem, lay it on its back and push the tire back on to the rim / wheel (both sides at the same time) when I get 8-10" of the tire on the rim I put m knee on that spot and continue to push the tire on all the way around. I've had little to no issues with this method yet.... I did have Coker mount one many years ago and there experts chipped the crap out of my rim, I said that would never happen again.
Maybe I need to go into the vintage tire business may be pretty profitable for me just mounting tires ?
The instructions above work fine if the tires have been previously fitted. They are then stretched and far easier to mount.
You can not put a brand new clincher tire on a rim with your hands. You will need some help with tire irons, maybe a rubber hammer and a bit of strength.
Robert, Peter Kable has noted that new clincher tyres can be difficult.
Step by step, here is the way I do the job.
One. Fit a rim liner in the rim.
Two. Inflate the tube just enough to hold its shape and stuff it into the tyre.
Three. Brush some lube onto both beads. The stuff the pros use is best. It does not dry out.
Four. Then drop the rim over the valve stem and put BOTH beads into the rim. I hold this in place using a clamp, one of the quick fit type.
Five. Lever both sides of the tyre on at the same time. My levers are 15" long and have a very tight bend at one end which is almost exactly like the edge of the rim. I use three levers.
Six. At the end one side will pop on before the other. This is the only time you need to be careful not to pinch the tube as you lever the last little bit on.
Seven. Inflate, deflate, check valve stem and inflate again. Job done!
The handiest piece of equipment I own is a tilt adjustable table which is a bit over waist height. It is my tyre fitting bench, fender sanding bench, painting table,radiator soldering bench, all round universal handy thing.
Hope this helps.
Allan from down under.
Here's the easy way:
Robert if you are not a member of a local club you should join. This is easy once you see it done. It seems impossible until you see how easy it can be.
While all Model T clincher tires (except Dunlop) are made in the same factory in Vietnam (for now) they come in several different compounds. The harder compound tires last longer, but are tougher to mount. Firestone diamond tread and Coker Excelsior tires fall in the hard to mount category.
Easy to mount tires are Universal (all varieties) and Firestone Non Skid.
Don't ask me about the new Montgomery Wards tires because I have yet to see one or mount one.
Here's a tutorial I found on the web on mounting clincher tires:
Those of you who have never had trouble mounting a 30 x 3 1/2 clincher have never tried to mount a NOS 1960 Ward's Riverside.
A friend and I cussed and tried for 2 days. Soap, oil, gojo, plastic bags, elephant snot ..... it made no difference whatsoever. For a while I was the state agent for tire irons.
Finally built a wood box and put the tire in with a light bulb. After heating the tire to where we had to use gloves to handle it, it went on - but it still wasn't easy.
To this day I don't know why that tube didn't look like swiss cheese.
Good news is, its on and wearing well.
I have walked a mile in the "difficult clincher mounting" moccasins and I sympathize.
I have never tried this myself so I want that stated up front. A good friend who had mounted NEW tires many times said the stretched the tires first by placing the tire only on the OUTSIDE of a deflated trailer tire. He then inflated the trailer tire to a few pounds more than the trailer tire recommended max with the trailer tire jacked up off the ground. He thus stretched the tire and it went on with his hands only. I suspect this would work best in a warm sunny climate. I don't know what size his trailer tires were but he noted that he was able to pull them over the outside when there was no air in the tire and this process stretched the beads enough to make it all work.
Put just enough air into the tube to keep it round then insert the tube into the tire next the flap. Be sure the flap is smooth all around. Next put the valve through the hole in the rim and pry the tire over the rim with one tire tool. Next about 6 inches from the first tire tool pry the tire with another tool. Keep both tools in place and take a third tool and pry about 6 inches the other side of the first tool. Then remove the first tool and pry about 6 inches from one of the other tools etc. It takes 3 tools and works better with two people, but it can be done by one. Keep it up until you are all the way around the tire. Then move the tire around until the stem sticks straight through the hole. Do not inflate with the stem at an angle. Inflate the tire, then deflate the tire and inflate again to the proper pressure. 60 lbs for clincher or 35 lbs for a balloon tire.
John, Cliff Jenkins keeps an old 13 inch Pinto Ford tire and rim around for that purpose.
The tire goes over the Pinto rim easily with that tire totally deflated.
Then about 40 pounds of air is added again and the tire laid out in the sun for an hour on a hot blacktop driveway.
The air is removed and the clincher tire is then removed and is very easy to put on the T Ford rim.
I was towing a Model A years ago, when the tire in that car went flat. I pulled into a gas station and was glad to see there was an old timer working there, and he would know how to change that tire. He couldn't do it, and I had to show him! You never know!
Yes that is the same method. I was not sure what size tire was used except that the T clincher tire would just stretch over the outer diameter of the tire before that tire was inflated. The method was explained to me by Tony Verschoore who used it many times. Tony didn't mention leaving the tire in the sun but that certainly wouldn't hurt. Warm tires are a lot more pliable than cold ones.
My tires are old, very old straight rib universals they've been on the rim many years....
I've mounted 4 (New) Coker Classic same way no issues.
Also mounted 4 (New) Firestones no issues same method.
Latest was 4 (New) smooth white universals same process again these was done Strickly done by hand no tools at all, I didn't want my rims chipped up using any tools / irons.
Not saying I'm good maybe just lucky, maybe stronger than I give myself credit for.... Who knows.
I put the tube and flap in the tire, then inflate just enough to get everything in position. Stick the valve stem through the hole and put BOTH beads on simultaneously with a tire iron or two. A little lube helps. I've put some pretty hardened old rags on this way and it works well. The second one takes about half the time of the first. The fourth is a piece of cake.