Has anyone rebuild a 1924 Model T water pump? how hard is IT?
I have never rebuilt a T water pump but it can't be very hard.
If it were mine I'd send it to Royce, he has a special saw that cuts them up into small pieces to make it easy to dispose of.
There are several types of pumps and I would think some are easier to rebuild than others. It also would depend on the condition, Rust, wear, etc.
What years had water pumps?
I do not like a water pump. They will only cover everything under the hood in grease and then fill the engine and radiator up with grease also. The only exception I know of would be the Texas T Parts one with the modern sealed bearings with no grease needed. 1924 did not have a water pump from Ford. 26 and 27 Ts could have a Ford pump but I think they were dealer installed accessories. I can be corrected on if they came from the dealer or factory in 26-27, but all other years of Ts did not come with a pump (maybe the first 2500 Ts also had one) Water pumps can also cause a car to overheat.... I have about 35 to 40 different water pumps and I will never put one on my car ...
I think you could need bushings,a new shaft, and a new packing, and perhaps a new impeller, most of which you might have to make from scratch. A better thing to do would be to spend about $300 and have your radiator recored. That would end your water pump problems and you could send it to Royce as Aaron suggested.
Steven, Water pumps were accessories produced by at least five or six dozen manufactures over the lifespan of Model T production. A picture would help or a manufactures name.
Many will tell you that if your cooling system is up to snuff a water pump is not necessary.
Lonnie, I hope this helped answer your question as well.
There's really no such thing. If you look through Ford's Model T parts books you won't find any water pumps except on the very first 1909 cars. Can't say how to rebuild. When I find a water pump on a T I get rid of it.
An accessory T waterpump is just that. They have no year.
Looking at Stevens profile I see it is his first post, I hope not his last.
Steven contact me at email@example.com. I will help you if you want to rebuild a water pump
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Doug, you're the best. :-)
Guys, you're being a little hard on a newcomer.
Steven, we don't know your level of experience and knowledge of model T's, so disregard if you already know this. Model T's were designed to operate without water pumps (or fuel pumps or oil pumps). Some people add them, but it is usually a sign of a bad radiator. A water pump may or may not mask the symptoms of a radiator that is no longer cooling. Years of vibration gives a loose joint between the fins and tubes and they just don't cool like they used to. Purists scoff at water pumps because a properly operating T doesn't need one. Hence some of the responses above..
I'm on my phone which doesn't like long posts.
A T in original form cools by thermosyphon. Hot water in the radiator becomes more dense as it cools and falls to the bottom of the radiator. This pushes the warmer, less dense water in the engine upward into the top of the radiator where the process begins again. Its a really neat an somewhat unique system that one doesn't experience with a water pump.
You might try just taking it off and installing a water inlet. It may work. If the radiator has been replaced but the water pump never removed, it would probably work just fine.
Of course, if you just want one, then rebuild it and run it.
Steven, as one newbie to another My 27 roadster had a heat problem when I first bought it and I was considering a pump but talking to an old timer he suggested I drain the radiator and fill it with a 50/50 mixture of white vinegar and water then run it up to temperature for 10 or 15 min then drain and flush the system after that dissolve I small box of arm & hammer in water and top off the radiator with water and run for another 15 min drain and flush then fill with your favorite coolant. I drive in Florida and except on the hottest days my Boyce Moto-meter rarely gets to the little window at the top...
Just a thought,While only the first 2500 came from the factory with a water pump proably tens of thousands came new from the dealer with a pump plus almost anything else under the sun.Makes me wonder if a new model T was ever recived new from the dealer with a dizzy?? Years ago i had a old model T Friend who traded a new bicycle on a used 1915 Model T! Bud.
Just to clarify, my post was an attempt at humor in response to Aaron's post. Have a great Thanksgiving everybody.
The very first Model T's came with water pumps, but it was discontinued after a few months. I have had water pumps on T's and no water pump on any of the ones I have now. I don't find that the pump helps and it is a constant source of leaks. If your engine is in good condition and the radiator is good a water pump is not necessary. In fact the engine will warm up faster without one and will not boil even on a hot day going uphill without one if everything is in good condition. However, if idling or driving very slowly, you do need a fan. If you are going at a good speed, you don't even need a fan.
Royce must be sleeping late this morning.
Even with no water pump, this time of year, I'm
almost tempted to put a 160* thermostat in there.
I can run all day & my radiator is stone cold and
up top, I shave with hotter water than that.
absolutly no good to run a cold engine.
I wonder how many who do run a thermostat???
I find cardboard over a part of the radiator to be more effective and easier to install. I actually have a few pieces that I carry under the seat. I have pieces that cover a half, third and quarter of the radiator sprayed flat black. They are barely noticeable. Keeping a T hot in the winter is a lot easier than keeping it cool in the summer. There are lots of ways to keep the radiator passages open for cooling but the real problem is heat transfer. Once the fins are no longer making decent contact with the tubes the only real solution is a new radiator or core. It took me more than 40 years of playing around with old radiators to learn that lesson. Now I bite the bullet and make replacing a marginal radiator a priority. That is not to say that all old radiators need to be replaced. I have one beat up brass radiator that looks like hell but cools like an ice box. That however is a rare exception. Steve, when I get a new car with a water pump the first thing I do is take it off to see how the radiator cools without it. In many cases the water pump was not necessary in the first place but if that is not the case the next thing I do is start saving for a new radiator.
Years ago, a retired mechanic showed me a trick of putting a large washer in the radiator hose next to the water outlet to create a restriction. That was a trick used in the 20s, 30s and 40s during Minnesota winters. I don't know if it would be a good idea with a thermo syphon system.
Off the shelf water outlet restrictor - I understand that the high performance crowd uses them:
http://www.hrpworld.com/store/default/cooling-system/water-outlet-necks-and-acce ssories/canton-water-outlet-restrictor-kit-canton-80-150/water-outlet-restrictor -kit-gm-v8-v6-amp-sb-ford.html
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