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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: Noel bullocks car
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Wednesday, November 27, 2013 - 10:22 pm:

i know this has been gone thru before, i think i read all the old posts, but the car interest me enough to bring it up again. i thought i had seen all the known photos, the one sliding at pikes peak, the one of just the chassis sitting outside the barn(very dark and too far away to see any details) and the one taken on a street with noel behind the wheel. that one is a straight side shot so hard to see any suspension details as they are hidden by the wheels. i've also seen the photo of the "real car", not, in colo springs museum, and heard that someone built a correct replica some time back. now, i have another photo page 62 of floyd clymers 1953 book entitled "those wonderful old automobiles" this photo must have been taken the same day as the street scene, however it is taken from about 8 o'clock not straight on as the ones like in speed secrets etc. also, its bigger, and clearer. this shows i believe a z front axle mount ahead of the frame, and the rear...i have looked with a magnifying glass and good light and i can not see a spring! was it a hard tail? i can see a slight rise in the frame rail right behind the seat, and the cross member is visible, but i can not make out a spring. differential is behind the cross member, some kind of cable operated outside brakes, dayton 48 spoke 6 pin wheels. steering shaft looks in the normal place, cant see any fancy box, and if that true the he is not sitting in the middle of the frame maybe like that rear shot of a racer a few days back where the guy is on one side, and the gas tank on the other. t frames are 23" wide, so if the tank gets half and you get half, (noels seat bottom clearly goes lower than the frame rail...center door seat?) you better not be too big, but noel was a tall man. any one know any more about this famous car? is there a real replica known to exist? any photos i missed? thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Wednesday, November 27, 2013 - 11:17 pm:

I'm sure that some here have not seen photos of the car.
Here are a couple, hit the + sign to see good detail.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1145540&d=1289440 662

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1145541&d=1289440 750

And a write up with details and photos:
http://www.nwvs.org/Technical/MTFCA/Articles/1405PikesPeak1922.pdf


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Thursday, November 28, 2013 - 10:33 am:

jim, i had not seen the red car, real deal or repo? it seem to have some differences. the old photo shows the entire frame rail with the seat inside, and the bottom lower than the frame, like rite on the drive shaft. thats one reason i'm thinking no rear spring. also, it clearly shows a gas cap sticking out of the cowl top so no side tank needed. whats the story on the red car?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Thursday, November 28, 2013 - 10:59 am:

Clayton,
Apparently Seth Hammond built the replica in 1973 to run at the Long Beach Ca hill climb. More details and photos of the repo at:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=529700
This car is mounted on a wall someplace, see page two of the link.
Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Verne Shirk on Thursday, November 28, 2013 - 11:03 am:

Clayton,
Per the note on the car in the Museum in Colorado Springs..."Other Information of Interest: Frame and original parts were found in barn that belonged to Bullock's mechanic in Ary, Nebraska". Are you saying the one in the museum in Colorado is not a re-creation using some of the original parts? That is not what the placard would indicate.

Here are some photos of the car in the Colorado Springs Museum. I think Fred Houston had a hand in it. I thought it looked very authentic.



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Verne Shirk on Thursday, November 28, 2013 - 11:06 am:

More Pix


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Verne Shirk on Thursday, November 28, 2013 - 11:07 am:

More Pix


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Verne Shirk on Thursday, November 28, 2013 - 11:10 am:

Last of Pix. BTW - I think there were just a few leaves in the rear spring.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Thursday, November 28, 2013 - 01:03 pm:

verne, can't remember now why i thought so little of the museum car a few years back when i looked it up on some site. it certainly looks better now. i had not heard that some remains were found at his mechanics place. perhaps it is the real thing. some say the car went to california with him in mid 20's. looks like the rear end travel is controlled by your butt! thanks, clayton


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Thursday, November 28, 2013 - 04:19 pm:

That red car should not be considered as anything to do about Bullocks car. It is just another non-era model T speedster. Disrespect not meant for all such cars. There is a place for them in this hobby. There is room in this hobby for all of us. But people need to understand the difference between cars restored to represent the "model T era" and things created modern from a model T just to have fun with.

Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Thursday, November 28, 2013 - 08:31 pm:

further digging shows that rick rawlins built the car in the museum. any know what kind of rear brake that is?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Thursday, November 28, 2013 - 10:50 pm:

How did they move the rear spring perch in the car in the museum?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Verne Shirk on Friday, November 29, 2013 - 08:31 pm:

Maybe a couple of better pictures of the brake.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Saturday, November 30, 2013 - 12:08 am:

theres something missing here, any one else catch it? there are no rear radius rods. seems he has the spring held up into the cross member to get both lower and also control the rear "wiggle factor" so no need for radius rods. thinking out side the box noel was, i've not seen that before. the rear axle seems to be not flipped over or re-riveted 1/4 turn so as to change the spring perch and still allow for internal brakes, he just used the brake hole and eliminated the internal brake, and went for the outside brake. what brand are they? i have none to compare. which leads me to brake handles, there are two levers, one brake, and one hand clutch? thanks for the photos verne, this has been very informative, clayton


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Saturday, November 30, 2013 - 12:20 am:

kep, they put the perch bolt in the brake shaft hole, thus lowering about 3-4 inches and moving axle back behind the cross member 3-4 inches .note the back side of the member has been "wallerd out (sorry, my hillbilly comes out sometimes) to allow for the differential to travel. i'll goback tomy original post here and say the reason i could not see a spring is because it is completely snugged up into the cross member


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Saturday, November 30, 2013 - 09:49 pm:

does any one know what brand those rear brakes are? are all the aftermarket brakes cable like that? ac, rocky mountain etc, i've never had any


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