Hi guys, Happy Thanksgiving !!
You have been a big help to this greenhorn in the past so here it goes again. I am going to attempt a reline of my transmission bands. After removing the old material, Do I rivet the new material with the rivet head on the band side and the split part on the metal band side or the other way around? Also I see the wooden bands. How reliable are they? Can they also be installed with out removing the Hogshead? I have the removable ear bands so I guess they are supposed to be easier to change?
Many thanks, and don't eat to much. Mark
On cotton or Kevlar, the rivet head is on the metal side. The legs go thru the lining and get spread.spread them across the band not in line with it. Less chance of wearing grooves in the drum. The ends should actually curve over and back into the lining.
On wood, the head goes into a counterbored hole in the lining and the spreading takes place on the metal band. Most will say not to put wood bands in without removing the hothead. Ive heard of it being done. I wouldn't.
It's riveted with the tines bent into the woven band material.
I haven't had experience with wooden bands. The removable ear (quick-change) bands were supposed to be easier to install, but I have found them not to be.
In re-reading, I saw you asked about the reliability of wooden bands. They are very reliable. I have them in both of our T's. If driven properly, they go months, dare I say years, without adjustment. That's after initial break in. You will have to adjust them 2-3 times upon initial installation, but that is true of all of them.
My experience with wood bands has been to install both ways. That is hogshead installed and removed. I've installed three sets and two were through the access door with no ill effects.
If you have no other reason to remove the hogshead, then I wouldn't. If however you have decided to install an external oil line, and or clean out the Ford line the go ahead and pull it.
One other point that will likely start an argument, if you car has a tendency to chatter with cloth bands, it will get worse. If you have no chatter with cloth you will likely have none with wood either. A car that chatters with cloth however doesn't get better magically with wood.
Pictures always help and a bunch of nice helpful photos can be found here:
So far I've only installed Kevlar, so I can show that. The new bands will come with instructions. Here's a short version of what they tell you.
The lining should extend 3/16" to 1/4" beyond the end of the band.
Install the two end rivets first. You can hold the lining in place with small C clamps or tape. Once the two end rivets are in, press the lining in so it fits the curve of the band.
The rivet teeth should be positioned across the band, not in line with it. A wooden "anvil" with a curved top is a handy place to drive them in.
The instructions say you can spread the teeth with a screwdriver, but I made a spreader from a piece of 1/2" square stock.
I made the spreader too short. It should be taller than the band, so I'll make a longer one. Set the band on a steel anvil with the rivet head down and spread the teeth.
The end rivets are recessed, so you'll have to set the heads on a pin punch.
After the teeth are spread, pound them in with a ball peen.
The instructions that come with the bands are a bit more detailed but this summarizes the process.
Steve, those are some great helpful pics. Someday I'll be in that boat. Question now....Four spare steering wheels?
With wood bands the tangs go on the metal band side with the head of the rivet counter sunk in the wood. I prefer to use aluminum pop rivets.