I won an Ebay auction for a Holley Vaporizer Carburetor. In the description it stated, "The item may
have some signs of cosmetic wear, but is fully operational and functions as intended". The seller also
"FORD MODEL T CARB. FOR PARTS OR REBILLED"
This is What I received.
A mostly complete Holley Manifold that had been sand blasted and painted but had never been disassembled.
With closer examination the entire Manifold appears to have spent most of it's life outside mostly full
of water. Even though the Manifold appears great on the outside the inside has had serious rust issues.
The Mixing Chamber has rusted steel cross shafts that have become part of the casting.
The Exhaust Manifold and Brass Nut have no threads left. This was hidden in the photos.
The Manifold Cover and Float Bracket Assembly has a 2" long crack across the Casting. This cover has been
drilled to remove the Drain Valve Plug which destroyed most of the threads and damaged the Main Jet. This seems to have been done just prior to being listed.
All the Assembly Bolts are rusted and will probably break of when they are removed.
Although the listing stated "..is fully operational and functions as intended", I really didn't expect
that it could be bolted up and used in it's present state, I did think it should be rebuilt but didn't
expect to get an unusable piece of shop art.
What do you guys think, am I wrong to think that the seller should pay the shipping and take the `
manifold back because he listed it wrong?
Here are some photos I shot below.
This is the Ebay listing--
I'd send it back in a heart beat.
heres the reason I have no problem scrapping T parts, to me this is junk, but u would have some ppl think that I can use this part or that part and want it saved, junk is junk.
now first in the description it was stated as used, the little bit about wear and will work or could work , comes up by ebay, after the seller selects used, he did say for parts or rebuild after that, he should have never had the brass nut on it to cover the threads, but as a seller I would much rather have u try to work it out with me before posting it here, but I would have scrapped that part.
I'd be a little suspicious of someone asking less than $40 for a "fully functional and operational" vaporizer carb. That being said, the seller obviously was being intentionally deceitful or had no idea what he was talking about; in either case, I think he ought to take it back. Have you tried getting in touch with him?
I buy a lot of parts on ebay for Model T's and airplanes. The description of used is put in the listing by ebay not the seller. The sellers description states it is for parts or rebuild. This is why buyers must ask questions or you will be disappointed. I ask for more detailed photos and their phone number so I can make an accurate decision about buying a part, if you don't you are setting yourself for disappointment. Remember the only dumb question is one that is not ask. I can tell everyone that most people don't even read the complete add before they ask a question. Every time I sell something this is the case. Good luck buying on ebay and remember you must look after your hard earned dollar. Just my $0.02
Contact eBay buyer protection and get your money back. I've never had a problem getting a refund from them.
Just open a case and get your money back through either ebay or Paypal. If the seller thinks so highly of the piece, he will surely be able to re-sell it. I hate when eBay sellers do this. You might have to eat the shipping (Fight for it) but recover the rest.
All this being said, I sell allot on eBay and I know first hand the buyer can be at fault too. (Not saying your are at fault in this case) but many people don't read the description at all. Its amazing!
Example: I have huge Massive Red Bold Letters Stating "CD, This Manual Comes on CD" and an entire description about the Manual on CD and some people are amazed they didn't get a paper manual.
I have bought from this seller before with no problems. I would first contact him to resolve this. After all he may also follow this forum. KGB
Very true. I forgot to add that to my post. Yes by all means go through a proper communication exchange before you jump it to a case but just know you have that option.
When the seller put the condition criteria in to start the ad, he chose "used", which means the part is totally usable in the state that it resides. He SHOULD have chosen "for parts or not working". Obviously he didn't, or he was deliberately being deceitful.
Seems to me you jumped on what you thought was a bargain. It wasn't. So this time you got stuck, you are out $50 or so. Let's suppose it turned out to be pristine, would have considered sending the seller additional cash because he sold it too cheap. Next time you may get a bargain. You can consult with the seller and maybe get a refund, but if you don't you should just chalk it up to experience and go on.
The seller also
"FORD MODEL T CARB. FOR PARTS OR REBILLED"
I think you, the buyer, should have paid attention to this last addendum.
Ted makes a great point as well. Just my opinion.....
Sometimes your horse wins the race, sometimes it looses....
I have to agree with everyone, there all right in a way. I see it both ways.
Fred, if you feel duped then do something about it. If you have any twinge that it could have been your fault for some reason, then use it as a learning lesson.
Also evaluate the parts that are usable and decide for yourself. If it was for parts and no parts are usable than it seems weird.
None of us can make these calls for you.
No offense intended ...
But you got what you paid for
You just do not like what you got
As has already been pointed out by others - the price was too cheap for the value you anticipated
Well, I do understand Fred's dilemma but I do see value there where others might not. I could repair the cracked cover plate as well as repair damage done to the carb base. The intake portion could even be repurposed as a side draft intake. The exhaust even if threads are no good can still be used by having a muffler shop stretch and slit an adapter to fit your pipe that can be clamped on. I'm one of those folks that if I lived closer to mike would take his throwaways off his hands!:-)
The carb and manifold looks like it laid out in a ravine on the back forty for many years. To me its for parts only and that's a stretch. The deep overall pitting tells the story.
Some sellers do indicate in their description 'as is' or no returns accepted.
I have got stung a time or two on Ebay but overall the good outweighs the bad.
You will get a refund on the item, but I doubt the seller will furnish return shipping. That has been my experience with incorrectly listed stuff.
Sorry, but all I see here is freshly sandblasted junk. Others have eluded to the fact that better pictures should have been sought before buying. Also what was flagged for me is 2 bids was all that was there, and who knows, the sellers buddy may have been the bid to get it going.
Whether or not the seller is on this forum, he listed it to deceive a buyer and make a buck from scrap metal.
Get your money back.
Buying on eBad is always a bit of a gamble. I have gotten some real bargains. I have been stung a little bit, but I am usually very careful, and cheap.
Out of curiosity, I looked at the original ad linked above. It did say " but is fully operational and functions as intended. " (copied and pasted from original ad) so no errors on my part. Since it quite obviously is not in any way operational or functional as intended, the seller, if he has any decent sense whats-so-ever, should give you a FULL refund.
Based upon that, you should receive a FULL refund OR leave very negative feedback. That thing is junk! I would let it sit outside behind the shed a few more decades.
I personally would not have likely ever bought from that listing.
First, a minor gripe of mine. Photos posted upside-down. Yes, I can see the item okay. But I figure that anyone that posts their pictures upside-down probably doesn't know enough about what they have to know which end is up, and probably has other errors in their description.
Only one picture, and it is not a good one. When I looked at the photo, it didn't look that good to me. Lots of sellers sand-blast everything to make it look nicer. And if they won't show me lots of detail shots or angles, I cut my potential bid in half.
Better luck next time.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
I was the rare eBay seller I guess. If I sold a relatively low dollar item like this carb and the buyer discovered something legitimate about the item he did not like, I would tell him to just keep it and refund his money. I earned return business and 5 star ratings with that approach.
Not trying to rub salt in your wounds, Fred, but after getting a $350 burn on eBay years ago in my first purchase, I learned to ask a LOT of questions before spending a dime. And if they don't want to answer them to my satisfaction I move on.