Great Photo Kim!
That is a VERY early Ford. I think I see two levers?
Is that you with your hand on the carbide generator?
If it is, he's about 108 years old now.
Note the color of the tires -- not white like the lady's dress or the guys' shirts.
It appears this car has no script on the radiator tank, just like the one posted a few days ago.
Notice the headlight lenses are cut into strips of glass. It has the crank holder and three-tier E&J side lights. The early 1909 was Henry's masterpiece.
John, that that my grandfather, Horace Ford Dobbins! This looks like a fairly new Ford, note the damage to the right front fender, and the hose from the carbide tank exits from the top of the tank. This photo came from an estate sale in Walton N.Y, in the Catskill mountains. Thanks to Andrew Brand for sending it to me.
Here is the full photo.
Great picture, Kim!
Do you know anything more about your grandfathers early Ford? Was it one of the first w/o Ford script on the radiator like the one in this thread? http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/406431.html?1386641520
Roger, I was just kidding John about that! I don't have any relation to anyone in the picture, wish i did!
I believe this might be one of the "first 2500" with the water pump given the crank is standing straight up? Looks like E&J 466 headlamps used on 1909's Dang nice car for sure.
Thank you for posting the early photo. If you have a chance and could send me a higher resolution copy sometime, I would appreciate it.
Yes, it is one of the approximately first 2500 cars with the water pump engines. The crank standing upright is characteristic of those water pump engine cars. See Trent Boggess’ excellent description of how those cranks were held up (and they could also be stowed in the down position. So the same car could be photographed with the crank up or down) at: http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/1909.htm).
As mentioned in the previous thread at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/406431.html?1386641520 the upright crank, square front fenders, rear fenders with the fender bracket mounted evenly spaced in the fender rather than closer to the body, the brass trimmed wooden running board – are all characteristics of the first 2500 Model T Fords (ref: http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/1909.htm). [Note there is an excellent chance that there was some overlap when the water pump engine cars and the thermo-syphon engine cars used the same type of fenders and running boards. For example we know that Apr 22, 1909 car (engine #) 2,448 was assembled/manufactured and it was the first Thermo-syphon engine. And car #2499 a water pump engine car was assembled May 4. So clearly during that time both types of cars were being assembled and the fenders were interchangeable.
In the case of this photo we can zoom in and see that it has the two levers – indicating it is one of the earlier of the water pump engine cars. [Currently the highest two-lever serial number that I am aware of is # 839 which is currently located in the Henry Ford Museum. For some history on that car please see the thread at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29/35743.html which talks about how Lee Crenshaw’s birth in 1941 caused the sale of the car for $25. Lee is one of the forum participants.]
From an earlier posting you can see the two levers on car 131 below [I’m not sure who posted the photo – but thank you! I zoomed in and added labels.]
Below is the zoomed in area on the original photo. I’m certain I can see the round boss of the reverse lever and the emergency brake lever. If you hold down the control key and roll the wheel on your mouse you can zoom in and out and may be able to see it better.
Again great photo Kim, thank you for posting it.
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