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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By samuel pine on Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 02:58 pm:

Well been round 15, I try to apply my ins. to my
ford. No can do. cancille my Mercury patles.
ok put this on my Paid ins. merc policy. Nope
No title Ya know what thiis (I hate Mass dope dmv's
dump. ???? why didnt the boston bomber bomb the
the dmv or devil patrick. so I bought a car (good faith us in god we trust cash. an now i cant transfer my merc plate to this 23 ford. going on
for 3 months. ya know a 80ry old ford dont care.
come an get me ;; lets see unregisered $100 fine
uninsured $100 fine; i'M AN
old man what ya do OH yey'ah
take my birthday away or mass idiots feed me


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Kitchener on Friday, December 13, 2013 - 09:09 pm:

ya what he said !!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Friday, December 13, 2013 - 09:37 pm:

Samuel,
Driving uninsured may cost you more then $100.

Driving without insurance in MA is sanctioned by a fine between $500 and $5,000 or by up to one year in prison or both. Once you have been indicted, the Registry of Motor Vehicles is likely to have your driverís license suspended for 60 days, as well as suspend your tags and registration certificate.

Of course if you get in a condition were you really need insurance is could cost you and others a bunch more then the fine. You can buy insurance far less then $10 / month.

Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Bartol on Friday, December 13, 2013 - 10:09 pm:

I'm from Massachusetts, aka Taxachusetts and I gather you're having issues registering the T. With no title, you would have to have the last owner's most recent registration to establish ownership. If you want to skip all that crap, download the Vermont DMV's out of state registration and register it in Vermont. You do not need to be a resident or have an address in VT to register a car in VT. I just did this in August. If you keep the car registered in VT for at least six months, you can take that registration to Mass and use the registration to title and register your T without paying Mass sales tax on top of the VT sales tax. Use Grundy Worldwide Insurance for a collector car (not a daily use car) and you'll be done.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Friday, December 13, 2013 - 10:33 pm:

Is Massachusetts overseas now:? I realize I aint 1 to talk as hooked on hickbonics wurked fer me but I cant make heads or tails of what he said?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Zibell on Friday, December 13, 2013 - 11:02 pm:

One of the reasons I won't move back to where I grew up (originally from Massachusetts). Down here in Alabama, they won't issue a title if built before 1975. Show a bill of sale and you are good to go. Have you tried Hagerty for insurance? Now in Alabama you must have proof of insurance (Alabama has a database for that) and if your insurance isn't in the database, you just bring your insurance card for that vehicle.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By samuel pine on Saturday, December 14, 2013 - 04:58 am:

Lets see if I can clarify this a little more. I
bought this on ebay I paid cash. OK the orignal owner,
died in 1943. It was sold to party #2
from Boston, back then, he had it up until the
1980's (he is dead) and sold it to party #3. I bought it from
party #3 from Conn. Problem is the last known real
registration was from Mass. reg. 1943. The next two
owners never registered it. The guy I bought it from
gave me a state of Conn. issued bill of sale on
official State stationary noterized too. Conn.
does not require titles older than 15yrs. Problem is Mass does not recognize Conn. These idiots whan me to start digging up graves for the last registerd owner from 1943. Then for toppers I go
to transfer my (sold ) car insurance to this one
and thats a no go. but I can insure my tool box?
Boy this deserves calling the "problem solver on
channel 12 TV" they'll expose those bums on TV.
And please dont advise me about laws and fines,
I retired as a police sgt. a dept. court officer,
I know exactly what goes on in the court house.
(which is amazing the sqeaky wheel gets the oil)
Its pretty bad for a Mass state trooper to issue
a citation to a NH state trooper in a marked
NH cruiser?? thats the thinking of this dump.
Is Mass overseas now? it has been for years!!!!

such is life; when all your life, you play by the
rules grow into an old man and this is the reward?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Schreiber- Santa Isabel Ecuador on Saturday, December 14, 2013 - 07:55 am:

Sell it on paper to someone in NH. They can register it there with bill of sale only. Take that reg to Mass and you should be done. Spent the first 52 years in NH and played their game since I was 16.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Saturday, December 14, 2013 - 10:39 am:

with VT you will need a bill of sale....either get one from the previous owner or create one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Mullis on Saturday, December 14, 2013 - 10:45 am:

Samuel,
The problem is simple, whoever you are trying to communicate with can't understand you.

Try speaking in complete coherent sentences.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Saturday, December 14, 2013 - 11:12 am:

A glass of muddy Mississippi water left to sit for a while begins to clear. Like this thread. You have a car and the only recognizable paperwork (at least in your state) is from 1943. You have a bill of sale which proves ownership but not in your state. At least not enough to register the car. Your insurance company also refuses to insure the vehicle. It appears like they don't accept your paperwork also. I'm guessing you can't actually prove ownership with the papers you have to any body's satisfaction. I believe there were no titles in '43 anywhere. That's your starting point. Is there a spot to sign over the vehicle on the old reg? Hint. You might be better off not showing any paperwork at all and treating this like a barn find that had none anyway.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Sunday, December 15, 2013 - 07:49 am:

As a former Mass person (Taunton) I can understand Sam's frustration.
His experience outlines some of the reasons that I refused to move to Mass when we returned to New England.
RI was slightly better and NH is significantly better except for the "border towns" that have been taken over by the invaders from the south
I agree with many of the recommendations made by the people here
Taking a deep breath and calming down is the first step - then getting help from someone in VT or NH makes a lot of sense.
NH might require that the VIN (motor) number be verified by the local police - but there might be a way around it- before registering it here- then selling back to him in Mass with a bill of sale
The out of state VT option sounds interesting and might be the easiest
In any case it is important to be calm and do not let the "officials" know what you are doing


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By samuel pine on Sunday, December 15, 2013 - 10:04 am:

OH god bless ya Fred I am next door No Dighton.
I read what you said ,I am retired local police ret, already had DPD> fill in the pink slip. I dont know
anyone up there exept you now.

As for Michael; "try speaking in complete coherent sentences? answer I'm an old man. OK I try to
speak in english. My english is -they want the last
registerd - owner!! OK; SHE IS LONG DEAD! comprehendo! Then if I go "recon" which is a built
up vehicle, now I need a slip for every screw fender and bolt showing I paid Mass stupid sales tax. Thats out. Next forge a bill of sale from the
women? Nope she died a year before I was born 1943. Get a lawyer? it did come from EBAY. I'm not
going after the guy I bought it from, he's a good
guy and I want the car. With documentation from
who I bought it from and -If I lived in Conn- it would be a done 5 min done deal. Mass dont give a
hoot for old people and old cars period.
not calming down Fred, my blood pressure is boiling.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Sosnoski on Sunday, December 15, 2013 - 10:38 am:

Mass. insists on having a document trail showing ownership. It has to lead back to some official document. They basically consider the car to be stolen unless you can prove otherwise.

You need to show documents that you bought the car - a bill of sale or the transfer of the title.
If no title, then you need to have some document that says the person you bought it from actually owns it and can sell it legally.

If he has only a bill of sale, then you need some document which shows that the person he bought it from actually owned it, and so on and so on.

I had a car which I bought in CT. back in the mid 1980's. We bought it in my father's name. I moved to MA. When I went to bring the car up here and title it I needed to:
1. Have a written and notarized letter from my father stating the known history of the car.
2. Bill of sale for when he bought it.
3. Letter giving me the car.
4. Inspection by the local police for the VIN number.

This all got mailed to some higher up in the RMV down in Boston and several weeks later I got a title.

A second car I got only had a registration from 1936, then a bill of sale from the current owner to the person I bought it from, then paperwork from him to me. Took everything to the RMV and after some consultation amongst themselves the determined everything was OK and sent it on. A week later I got a letter from the RMV saying they needed the document trail from the original owner listed on the 1936 registration. If the original owner was deceased then they needed something from the probate court showing that whoever sold it had the legal right to sell it. I finally gave up and returned the car to the person I bought it from and filed a special form to have my sales tax refunded.

If you know someone in NH you can sell them the car and have them register it. After 6 months they can sell it back to you. I believe that still works.

Or, see if the person in CT can get a CT title. They don't require one for that age car, but I believe you can get one if you apply. Then he can transfer the title to you.

Bottom line, if you live in Mass. don't ever buy a car without a title or a clear paper trail to some official document or you'll be stuck with something you can't do anything with.

Dave S.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By samuel pine on Sunday, December 15, 2013 - 10:57 am:

OH since we can not edit. I forgot. My father bought a 1954 Ford F800 new. OK I been driving this since
I cant remember. Always registerd exept I didnt
renew it for a year. I have the renewal but its a
year old. I took that to Dept of dopes, no go.
What???? So the old man did get a title when they
first came out 'early 70s'.Looks like somebody printed it in their basement. Go there-the idiots
never saw one-get the super-run it then comes back
to somebody in Roxbory Mass. I say put ya glasses
on missy i'll be back and came back armed with a
thousand pics of this truck with me in it. Come to find out she mistook an 8 for a three. that cost me a day running back and forth. Hold on, I
buy a brand new 1975 F250, go there I got a FoMoCo
cert. or origen from the dealer from the factory
That is the bill of sale and sales slip. NOPE
solution I took the truck back. end of that.
So In closing; you are on a fixed income, take
$8500 from savings now about broke, for my last journy, and its a total no go nightmare to comply?
worst yet I did like 20 mile ride sat. got back,
oh boy; I forgot to put my Lincoln no plate on it.
It ran fine it didnt care.
A word of caution, If you replace the engine, In
this state you are done. engine numbers now dont
match. Think I'll lock this post cause its shovlin sand against the tide.
Be advised
Every day I try to figure this out- I am to be
delinqwent in sales taxes also.


Here is the truck now and back in the sixtys its the last one way out back.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rion Schulze on Sunday, December 15, 2013 - 04:19 pm:

I would suggest not going back there again until this is straightened out beforehand.

If you have a younger friend who can read some of the helpful posts on here from the guys who have "been there, done that"- then try and use this information to get a title.

Someday Michael Mullis will be an old man and need help too.

I'm just glad to see an older person utilizing the internet.

My advice, stay outta the dmv until you have the paperwork ready.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Sunday, December 15, 2013 - 06:00 pm:

The place you live, you choose. If it were truly miserable you would move.

Years ago at Collins Radio in Dallas, Iowa transplants were always complaining about living in Texas. I would tell them it Texas must be a better place than Iowa, it must be or you would not have stayed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will Copeland - Trenton, New Jersey on Monday, December 16, 2013 - 08:27 am:

Whats that old saying about the grass being greener on the other side? Any place you go there will be good points and bad points. My quest is to find a nice warm rual gun friendly state.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Everett on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 11:03 am:

I've seen many vehicles on e-bay being sold with "Bill Of Sale Only".

The spiel is that, "It's easy to get a title".

Since it's "easy" to get a title, you (seller) get one first and sell your vehicle to me with your title, not just a bill-of-sale.

I posted on this subject some months ago about the seller of our '11 in one of the Babylons on Long Island.

If would have to be an exceptionally good, unusual car for me to buy it without a title.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 11:16 am:

Bill, I'm with you 100% but a lot of guys here are already in the hole so to speak. I'd never buy a car without a title. Period. You actually don't know from whom or what you're buying without it. Sam's trouble illustrates this perfectly. Sure it's easier or harder to title in various states but if you jump at a car with out any pre checking DMV wise likely as not you'll get screwed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G.R.Cheshire on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 11:35 am:

Come to Florida register it with a bill of sale and a non-operational affidavit pay one time tag fee of $65(horseless carriage tag never expires as long as you own the vehicle) And sales tax and title transfer fee your done unless ya'll want to move back up nawth.
G.R.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Aldrich Orting Wa on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 11:55 am:

I will soon be trying to register (in Washington State) a 1915 I built out of three piles of parts. This is a horror story I desperately hope not to repeat!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Wolf on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 01:09 pm:

Never been to Mass. Same with New York City. Been there once, back in the early 60's and have no desire to go back.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Baker on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 05:44 pm:

Dick stay where you are we don't need you


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike_black on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 09:04 pm:

G.R.
You've got nicer DMV folks in Jax than we do in the panhandle! Years ago I tried to register my TT that I had owned for 20 years and lost the bill of sale long ago. They told me I had to get notorized bills of sale for all the major components, get it inspected to insure it had seat belts, signals, etc and if it passed it would be registered as a current year "Home-made". The good thing is, I've driven all over with a 25 FL tag, and never been questioned.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By samuel pine on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 06:12 am:

New Mass law this week. Ya dont clean snow off
your car $200 fine. there ya go.

No kidding as if we dont remove snow off.
Ya right who's going to get a forty foot ladder
and shovel snow off a 53' semi trailer 3 o'clock am
in a snowstorm. And if one has a long commute, and
snows a commin down; stop every 20min and clean
the car?? Masshole the capitol of brain dead lawmakers. Like this week 5inches snow,little rain
then went to 15 degrees OK what do you do rent a
jack hammer to clean the car top???


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ron on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 07:41 am:

Hey Sam - if you don't like Massachusetts, then move. Simple as that. New Hampshire has had that law and fine for years. Having had my windshield wiped out on 93 by a chunk of ice that flew off the roof of a passing car (two days after a snowstorm has passed), I can see why a LOT of states have that law.

I was born in Massachusetts, raised in Massachusetts and will eventually die in Massachusetts. I spent 20+ years of my life in the military - I moved 18 times in those 20 years and lived all over the US (not including 6 years in Europe and another couple of years in the Mid-East). I can tell you from that experience that no place is perfect and some are worse than others. So if you really hate this place enough to spend your time railing about it on this forum, then do yourself (and the rest of us who, frankly, are tired of seeing the thoroughly obnoxious title of this thread pop up to the top of this forum) a huge favor and move.

On another note, why the administrator of this website continues to allow the title of this thread to remain is an absolute mystery to me - seems like a pretty clear violation of the rules (not to mention decorous manners).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 09:44 am:

Every place has its good things and bad things, and everybody has his own opinions about what's good and bad. I'm eternally grateful that millions of people are willing to live in cities because that means all of them aren't where I am, and most of those folks in cities would hate to live here in Podunk. So you live where the things you think are good outweigh the things you think are bad.

When it comes to buying vehicles with or without a title, and the attendant bureaucratic gauntlet, that depends on where you are and who you deal with. I've bought two vehicles in other states with only a bill of sale and had absolutely no trouble getting Kansas titles for them. Maybe it's because our legislature meets only four months a year and hasn't had time to make vehicle registration the Kafkaesque nightmare some other states have achieved.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A. Golden on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 11:29 am:

Something I learned the hard way was , "Never buy a car until you inspect the title first!"

First: Make sure you are dealing with the registered owner and the state recognizes that person as the owner.

Second: DO NOT put a lot of money into a restoration, until you have a title from your state of residence in your name that recognizes you as the legal owner.

You can get insurance and license plates later on in most states.

I bought a car with a Maryland inspection report that said it had 66,000 miles on it and a little later I got the Virginia title issued 3 years earlier with 189,000 mile on it.

That car had been repainted at dealer expense, due to a pealed paint lawsuit. It looked like new.

Then I found the "friend's" owner was not deceased and was only 28 years old.

The "friend" had bought the car with a bad engine and transmission for salvage, but never processed the title, so there was no legal record of the condition.

The car was hit while parked, pushed into a new car with less than 1,000 miles on it and smashed on both ends.

The driver causing the accident was not charged with speeding, as there were no skid marks on the road. He careened across the road and totaled another vehicle, then T-boned the new car and totaled that one. He was never charged with anything.

His insurance paid me more than the car cost, so it was very lucky for me that the car was totalled, as it was beginning to sound rather noisy in the engine area.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 11:53 am:

I've never tried to register a car with just a bill of sale here in N.J. but I can tell you that none is even asked for when presenting a title. The cash amount is entered on the back of the original title and that's it. A bill of sale only proves cash was exchanged for an item. It actually doesn't prove the seller owned the item. I think that's the standard policy with a lot of DMV's.


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