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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Sunday, December 15, 2013 - 11:57 pm:

Ok,I hijacked another thread and I apoligize for doing that but the result was great.
I was able to get something I have been looking for for years.
So I decided to start this thread.
Is it possible for some of you folks to give some details or tips on how you find specific info on the net?

Reason being there must be something I am missing on how to do research on the internet.
I basically work on the premise, punch something into google and up it pops or it should.But it dont allways.
Not the case in the train wreck artical.
And not in the case of a couple images of a dump bed lift assist for a golf cart dump bed that I have looked for for a couple weeks.
I have a idea,but I aint sure it will work.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Dufault on Monday, December 16, 2013 - 08:31 am:

Hi Mack,
I put in the Google search box

"dump bed lift assist for a golf cart dump bed"

and got a whole lot of "hits" and pictures. Have you tried that?

Merry Christmas...

Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Monday, December 16, 2013 - 08:40 am:

When I started doing translation projects in 1992, I had a pad of paper next to me and wrote down any term I couldn't find in my own dictionaries or other reference books. Then I took the paper to the reference room at the local county library and spent a couple of hours there. Today I have Google.

One thing to remember when you're using Google is quotation marks. If you search for [Henry Ford], you will get sites with "Henry," sites with "Ford" and sites with both together. If you search for ["Henry Ford"], you will only get sites where the words occur together. I also generally avoid searching for complete sentences because the difference of a word may cause it to be missed. I take three or four consecutive words and put them in quotation marks.

Whenever I get the kind of dire warnings or amazing facts that float around the internet, I search for a few key words plus the word "hoax."

These are just random ramblings off the top of my head. If you have more specific questions, I'll be happy to give them a shot. I'm no expert, but I use Google a lot.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John F. Regan on Monday, December 16, 2013 - 08:52 am:

A lot of times one thread leads to another and away you go but if your search involves complicated long words, try alternate and yes WRONG spellings for words that you commonly see spelled incorrectly. Learn to use the minus (-) key to eliminate incorrect words that keep showing up. I was searching for a particular recording on the Chess record label but got a lot of hits having to do with the game of chess. I used -game and -board and -strategy -Fisher to get rid of many chess game references to make the search easier. Learn how various search tools work - they can be very powerful.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Monday, December 16, 2013 - 09:21 am:

Yes Dave,I thought I did and in other orders of words,but no quotations.So I will try them.
Thanks for that idea.

I am trying to fabricate 1 from scratch and need to see some inspirational photos for my creativity to work from .I am basicly wanting to use the same setup as on my TT but trying to fiqure angles and mounting points is the sticking point.So photos would help me
I am allways trying to find stuff on the net and others find it in record time.Me, stumble and clic all night.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Monday, December 16, 2013 - 09:23 am:

strange,i copied and pasted Daves line up there and put it in google.5th listing was this thread!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Monday, December 16, 2013 - 09:29 am:

Mack,

That was a thread I began where you asked for, and found information about the train wreck (and I am glad you did). Without going back to check, I believe the last name you were "tracking" was spelled incorrectly in the newspaper article.

What I've found is, a person must "think outside the box" when searching archives/newspapers/journals etc. One reason is, what we refer today as a "windshield" may have been referred to as a "windscreen" one hundred years ago (etc. etc.).

I try to find one sample article, say for a Ford Model N, and then look at other references in the article to the same item. For example, if one does a search for "Ford Model K", many current articles will appear. However, "in the day", I find very few articles referring to the car as "Model K." When I finally figured this out, and started searching "Ford six cylinder" or "six cylinder Ford", many more period articles and stories appeared.

A good place to start (for me) was the Library of Congress newspaper collection. The search parameters are easy to use, and a lot of newspapers across the country are scanned in (and the price is right :-)).

Good luck searching,

Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Dufault on Monday, December 16, 2013 - 10:45 am:

Mack,
Try this when you have time:

Put "dump truck dump mechanism" - with the quotes - in your Google search window.

When you get the response, click on the word Images which should be just below the Google search box.

I did that and got LOADS of pictures and a couple of diagrams....maybe those will give you some ideas.

Good Luck !

Hope that you have a creative New Year!!

Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Monday, December 16, 2013 - 11:32 am:

I have found that it is better to have a string of quotes instead of one long quote. Too many words bracketed in quotes will restrict the results.

For example, Dave Dufault suggested:

"dump bed lift assist for a golf cart dump bed"

If I were doing the search, I would break it up, eliminate any unnecessary words and type this in the search box:

"dump bed" "golf cart" lift

search results
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=%22dump+bed%22+%22golf+cart% 22+lift&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

image results
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22dump+bed%22+%22golf+cart%22+lift&client=safari &rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=3SmvUp7LG8GbygGy04CoBQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw= 1280&bih=702


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Monday, December 16, 2013 - 11:54 am:

thanks,this info will help me and others fiqure out how to do this better.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. J. "Art" Bell on Monday, December 16, 2013 - 04:22 pm:

Hi Mack

Try “Google Advanced Search”. It gives you separate lines to enter search words
instead of using “” “, AND, OR and NOT as you would in the standard search.

Some of the main categories . . .

· all of these words: Includes all of the text you typed in the search box. This is similar to inserting AND between words.
· at least one of these words: Searches for results that match either one or more of the words. This is similar to inserting
OR between the words.
· the exact phrase: Searches for the words in exactly the order you enter them. This is similar to putting quotes (" ") around
a set of words.
· none of these words: Excludes words from your search. This is similar to inserting NOT between the words or the
symbol - before a word.


I think Google follows us everywhere we go and adds that info to it’s data base.
I have searched for a topic posted to this forum within seconds of it appearing here
and it will bring that post up in my search results.
The same happens to any “Yahoo Group” who’s posts can be read without being a member,
but posts to the groups that require being a member to read do not get picked up.

Regards
Art


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Howard D. Dennis on Monday, December 16, 2013 - 04:50 pm:

Mack, I always try Google images first. You would be amazed the number of times that has found something that didn't show up on Google web.

Howard Dennis


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Monday, December 16, 2013 - 06:18 pm:

Mack,
In Google be sure to click on the "More" button when it applies. Under Books and Patents you can narrow a search by date and other options.

A very good source of info and assistance may be your local library. My local library provides all the follow online references at no cost to me:
http://www.trl.org/Research/Reference%20Databases/Pages/Reference-Databases.aspx ?category=AtoZ&menu=&descript=1&alpha=0

The Access Newspaper Archive is reported to be the the worlds largest online newspaper archive.
http://access.newspaperarchive.com/Unauthorised
That is where I found your train wreck article (on my home computer). That service is free with my free library membership but is also available on a subscription bases for $30/month or $100/6 months.

Jim


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