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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 09:57 am:

I know it will be hard to belive,but my Wife has thought me to use spell check!! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Wolf on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 10:01 am:

Still doesn't help. Thought should be taught.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G.R.Cheshire on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 10:03 am:

Auto-correct taught to thought correct spelling but...;)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth from NC on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 10:21 am:

Hey now. Like I tell my wife when she wants me to fix stuff for her family members "Just cause I know HOW to doesn't mean I HAVE to."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Wolf on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 10:21 am:

I think if a person would proof read before hitting the final button would help.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 10:24 am:

If you hit send to soon it's called 'poof' read, like in it's gone!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth from NC on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 10:35 am:

Richard, I try really hard to proof read what I post when I hit the "preview" button. I hate typing stuff and looking like a dufus on the forum because I left out a whole word in a random place or two. My browser has its own spellcheck that highlights the words red for me as I type so that part is usually pretty easy. Unfortunately, whatever in my brain made me skip typing a word in the first place usually automatically fills it in for me when I proof read my post. But for some reason once it's on the page and I can't fix it I'll notice the glaring omission. *shrug*


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Wolf on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 10:39 am:

Seth;
I was just giving Kenneth a hard time. Oh by the way, he spelled believe wrong also. lol


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Mantorville, MN on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 10:44 am:

As long as we're nitpicking, "New's" should be "News" with no apostrophe. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert G. Hester Jr., Riverview, FL on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 10:50 am:

I cain't have two much respeck for a wurd what can only be spelt wun way. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Hatch on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 10:51 am:

Seth: One day your wife will say " Just because I know how, does not mean I have too" to you too. :-) Dan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 10:55 am:

Bob: I bet your post preview had as much yellow as white! I proof read but the yellow is a tip off for sure. Mostly for misspellings. I notice it doesn't recognize Chrysler. That's just a laugh.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth from NC on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 11:00 am:

Heh heh, SHHHHHHHH!! Fortunately she doesn't ever check the forum.

As a very wise man once told me while starting his Model T "Bedding a woman is a lot like starting an old car. It's all about how you choke her." LOL


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will Copeland - Trenton, New Jersey on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 11:12 am:

I don wrriie abnoout it. Iff I seaa a feww missspeelled worrrds I juust read beetwwen thhe linees and figgure it ooutt. I tauggght preschhhool floorr a feeew yearss. U would not belive some of the sentincees Iv had to figure out:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 11:18 am:

But Dan, according to proper T website spelling you should never use the word 'too', it is always spelled with one O on this site, except an occasional that doesn't know.

Jay, did you poof read that sentence you just posted? You hit send too soon.

It's hard words like too that get spelled wrong the most.

Bud has admitted for more than 15 years on this site that he is a poor speller. I can overlook it, his posts are interesting, he knows what he is talking about and he always makes himself understood.
Let's spend more time finding fault with our leaders in government and get off Bud's rear end.

Spellcheck doesn't recognize babbit either, and a lot of other words.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth Swan on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 12:14 pm:

Aaron, babbitt has two T's at the end according to Webster's NEW UNIVERSAL UNABRIDGED DICTIONARY, maybe that's why your spell check is challenging you. I noticed that the Forum's spell check is questioning my spelling of the word. I have found that Model T owners have two common traits: one is we love to eat, and the other is we can't spell worth a crap...I'm smack dab in the middle of the pack! I agree with your philosophy completely.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 12:21 pm:

Everybody makes the occasional typo and leaves out words and uses the wrong to-too-Two or their-they're-there.......OCCASIONALLY. But some seem to have no idea where to use a period or a capital letter. I can't make heads nor tails of some of their posts. I don't mean to nit-pick, but there comes a time, when one's writing ceases to be communication. If you are asking someone for help, how can they help you if they can't even figure out what you are asking?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff Humble on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 12:22 pm:

Spell cheque is knot awl that use full four those like me with know cents of pour spilling any whey.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G.R.Cheshire on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 12:47 pm:

I honestly thought Spell Check was something used by Witches!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 01:06 pm:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a member of the spelling police, and I make as many mistakes as a lot of other folks, but this thread might be a good place to bring up something I've "collected" for some time now, as I find it interesting. Some very good points have been made in this thread, such as actually using the "Preview/Post Message" feature to try to catch your "typos" BEFORE you post.

Also, here's something that sorta' "bugs" me too,.....I don't rely on "spellcheck" too much, because spellcheck can't catch many of the mistakes we all make. Spellcheck really doesn't recognize, or even care if you use a WRONG word, or the wrong form of a word, as long as it's spelled correctly. Just for kicks (and because I find it interesting) over a period of time, I've made a list of common mistakes that spellcheck WILL NOT CATCH! There are those that feel that as long as they use spellcheck before posting, or otherwise finalizing a document, the document will read just fine. Well, to depend on spellcheck to make your document read well is not a good idea. Here's my list of very common mistakes we all make that make a document look like it was written by a not-too-sharp 3rd grader, and many of us should take a look at this list and realize how PROPER use of these words would make a big difference. Many "professionals" make these (and others) common mistakes and it really makes an otherwise "CEO type" person look pretty silly,..........take a look at this and we should all realize how often we make these mistakes in spelling and grammar. There are other mis-used words for sure, but these are the common ones I've noticed:

there their they're
your you're
pedal (Model T guys know lots of ways to mispell pedal)
break brake
seen saw (don't say "I seen it",...."because you didn't seen it", you SAW it)
than then
wore worn
to too two
advise advice
quite quiet
leaf leaves (Model T springs have "leaves", not "leafs")
thief thieves (there are no such things as thiefs)
seem seam
ammeter (PLEASE,...NOT amp meter, or amp gage,or guage)

Again, I don't like "spelling police", and I'm not one either, but taking a look at my list, and maybe adding a few others that you've noticed, as I've missed many, could make our writing look as good as a lot of "T" guys from foreign countries that try very hard to use proper English and often do a better job than a lot of us Americans that nowadays, seem to use worse and worse "English". For example, we have all heard people (even professional newscasters) say "I seen something", that we're all starting to think that it's proper English! IT"S NOT!!! Nobody ever "SEEN" something! They "SAW" something!

And my "all-time favorite", is the mistake of saying "your" when you're really saying YOU ARE! Or saying there, or their, when you're trying to say they're as in THEY ARE!

Anyway, enough of all this, and yes, I do realize that many people really just don't care, and I guess that's O.K., but our "American English" really is becoming very sloppy and distorted,.......just ask any poor foreigner who is trying to learn proper English! (.....like my Japanese daughter-in-law......)

As long as I've been on this "rant" as long as I have, I should probably throw in one other thing! And that is that I realize that having grown up in Chicago, I'm probably one of the worst "offenders" as far as proper English! (....at least as far as speech is concerned.....) I guess I don't actually think,....."dat I talk like dem guys in Chicago, but I probably do"!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 01:21 pm:

Harold,

You can "add" these to your list too;

ad & add


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Robb on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 01:45 pm:

As an author of four novels and a publisher and editor for the past 41-years, I'm still trying to get it right, but what bugs me more than the written errors are the highly-paid TV "professional" announcers who consistently say; PERfessional, PERtect, PERvide, PERceed, PERcession, PERficient, etc., Yet they will say; "A PRO football player, or PRO and con, etc. Nobody corrects them, and they're getting the BIG BUCKS!
Ain't fair.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keith g barrier on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 01:47 pm:

I seen it agin' yesterday, I don't care what you say you seen! KGB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 02:50 pm:

I've heard people pronounce the word 'our' like the letter 'R'. I thought OK, so they pronounce it differently. However, I have seen people actually spell it out like they pronounce it.....This is are house. We rode in are Model T. Being from the South, I probably mis-pronounce more than my share of words, but unless I'm just trying to be funny, I seldom spell them the way I pronounce them. I draw no distinction between the pronunciation of 'Mary' and 'Merry', but I would never write 'Mary Christmas'.....lessin' of course thatuz 'er real name.:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Hatch on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 03:23 pm:

M R Ducks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. J. "Art" Bell on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 03:53 pm:

I find it amusing as a Canadian watching US TV channels
in October to hear Halloween being pronounced Holloween,
but my pet peeve is the use of Axel when the topic is axle.
Even our local “Bargain Finder” newspaper once insisted that
their spell checker was correct and changed my ads to axel.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A. Golden on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 03:54 pm:

Spell check can lead you astray.

The word might be spelled correctly, and still not be the word you wanted to use.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 04:11 pm:

The problem with spell check is that sometimes the wrong word is spelled correctly. Also a word is shown as misspelled but the correct spelling is not shown. If I had known the correct spelling it wouldn't have been misspelled. I could look it up in a dictionary, but then how can I look it up if I can't spell it? My way of correcting it is to try a different spelling. If after two tries, it still shows misspelled, I just use the spelling which looks best to me. :-)
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Van Evera on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 04:13 pm:

Remember the "ebonics" fiasco "they" tried to shove down our throats several years back? Nothing but poor English, period! Maybe, however, this forum is leaning towards "T bonics....."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 06:40 pm:

I have a couple of different pet peeves. There is a propensity among some to omit 'to be'. " The chassis needs restored". What would Shakespeare say?

"-- -- or not -- --, that is the question"

Then there is the ridiculous dumping of the past tense of verbs. "Yesterday I bolted the rods on and they fit good" Whatever happened to fitted well?

Just a retired grade school teacher lamenting>

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 06:41 pm:

I have a couple of different pet peeves. There is a propensity among some to omit 'to be'. " The chassis needs restored". What would Shakespeare say?

"-- -- or not -- --, that is the question"

Then there is the ridiculous dumping of the past tense of verbs. "Yesterday I bolted the rods on and they fit good" Whatever happened to fitted well?

Just a retired grade school teacher lamenting.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will Copeland - Trenton, New Jersey on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 07:00 pm:

As I skim through a few threads I have posted on in the past it seems I am guilty of not one but two crimes. The first is misspelled words, Of which I am a repeat offender. The other is even a bit more embarrassing is that I tend to leave words out. Guess my brain is thinking faster than my fingers can type. Even though I proof read it seems I see words that aren't there. Guess there was one to many keg parties back in my younger days.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 07:24 pm:

Allan said what I have often thought
"I have a couple of different pet peeves. There is a propensity among some to omit 'to be'. " The chassis needs restored". What would Shakespeare say? "
I don't know when this came into use but I have noticed it more in the last ten years.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Mullis on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 07:36 pm:

Congregation Kenneth!

Eye two musk relay on spell check.

Bits a wonder full feeling to no that you are know longer being make fun of four your spilling.

I set my compactor for auto-carrot sew Eye don't had two worry above it.

I wonder how much butter my grades wood have ben if Eye had a compactor when Eye was in high skull.

My motto is "Technocracy is a wonder full thin but no ledge is powder"


Sea y'all ladder.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 08:33 pm:

http://www.today.com/news/does-word-whatever-drive-you-crazy-youre-not-alone-2D1 1779428

Some words don't even have to be misspelled to be annoying.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 09:10 pm:

Every radio announcer I've ever heard announce that operators are standing by will say, "Are operators are standing by".

I argued with a guy once who had a personalized license plate: ARE 32. It was 32 Ford. He said, "It's ares and it always will be ares".

Sign on a trailer for sale at Turlock:
Halls to car's. Toes good.

Craigslist.com is full of cars for sale that needs repaired.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 09:11 pm:

Grammar nazis on the internet like to correct me when i say, for example "Pick up your device and.." and they reply with
"'Pick up you're device' you mean"
Congratulations, that makes no sense .

(Most folks cannot actually talk. In this day and age the practitioners of popular culture seriously all sound like "Oohoga bhoogaa". Meanwhile i wait for the cool kids to start trying to touch their ear with their tongue because it is "the thing to do")


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren W. Mortensen on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 09:12 pm:

I'm willing to cut my fellow hobbyists some generous slack on spelling and grammar. What drives me nuts is opening up the local newspaper and catching mistakes from people who are supposed to know better. Sometimes you just have to have a human doing the proof reading.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 09:32 pm:

Let's not forget redundancies. ATM machine, GOP party, APB bulletin.

And I'm past tired of hearing: an historic and year anniversary.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 09:40 pm:

If Col-ahh-rad-oh became Col-ahh-rod-oh, and Na-vad-ah became Na-vod-ah,....then when do you suppose Mon-tan-ah will become Mon-tahn-ah?

And if Maz-dah is Mahz-dah, why isn't Cad-ah-lack pronounced Cod-ah-lock, and why did Pon-tee-ack never become Pon-tee-ock?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 09:42 pm:

If Col-ahh-rad-oh became Col-ahh-rod-oh, and Na-vad-ah became Na-vod-ah,....then when do you suppose Mon-tan-ah will become Mon-tahn-ah?

And if Maz-dah is Mahz-dah, why isn't Cad-ah-lack pronounced Cod-ah-lock, and why did Pon-tee-ack never become Pon-tee-ock?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 09:45 pm:

Oops! Another double post! Got distracted by the "boob-tube"! Sorry,.....harold


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 10:00 pm:

Ever notice how many people talk about a mute point? No such thing,........it's moot! I actually had a middle school teacher tell me it WAS "mute", and not "moot". I had her look it up in her dictionary and she was amazed that she had been saying the wrong word all her life! That's a good example of people hearing the wrong word so often that they actually believe it's right!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 10:04 pm:

Oh, and another one! It seems like I'm hearing "eckspecially" more and more, even by T.V. newscasters! I guess they think it's "cool",.....sorta' like the state of Na-vah-dah!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 10:09 pm:

The gradual degradation of the English language is a real shame if you axe me!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 10:18 pm:

I used to go through the newspaper every morning with a fine point red pen correcting the mistakes and making comments on grammar, syntax, punctuation, spelling, style and form until they were furious with me -- at least according to a friend that worked there. It was a fun way to start the morning.

Here is one many people miss: Pare a Pear with a pair of scissors. It was one of my mother's favorites. Born in Russia and learning to speak English only after coming to America and starting First grade in a one room homestead school in eastern Montana, she spoke excellent English without a trace of German accent and insisted we do the same.

There are a lot of people who use incorrect English and a lot of people who are very smart but speak or write poorly. Then there are those who think they are very smart, read and write very well and who make many mistakes or use quite improper grammar and syntax. So it is. However, that said, one of my personal favorite gripes in the improper use of "affect" and "effect."

Some years ago there was a big long thread related to usage of some words in an ad for lights. Dan Treace and I had a good time with it as well as many other, however, I can't find it now.

Punctuate this:

John had had had while Joe had had had had had had had proved to be better grammar than had had been.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 10:19 pm:

"is" not "in" Prufreed!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 10:20 pm:

I don't know why every one is so worried about grammar, I think grandpa should get equal time!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Carl Klem on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 10:21 pm:

We live in a university town, and the local newspaper has the worst editors you can imagine. It is a daily quest to count the grammatical errors. Untold letters to the editor questioning their abilities do nothing. We all make mistakes, and understand that we are all humans in the same game, but these are supposed to be professionals setting the good example (not). I jus dunno!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 12:45 am:

Carl,.....are there "pitchers" in those newspapers too? Actually, I hear "pitchers" more and more lately, but that seems to be more of a "spoken" error than written. Someone earlier in this thread mentioned that there are those that actually misspell some words just like they mispronounce them. However, I think most people that say "pitchers" actually spell "pictures" correctly. I guess I just find this sort of thing interesting, but also kind of sad.

And then there's "these ones", and "those ones", more and more lately, when actually, "these" and "those" have really been quite sufficient for a very long time! Maybe that's another case of the more people say it, the more they hear it, and therefore, the more it seems correct, so,.....the more they say it and the mistake just grows and grows.

Stan - Kathy and I still laugh about a phrase that was (and probably still is) very prevalent around Deer Lodge, MT. when we lived there,........"youbetchya"! Yeah, it's interesting,.....harold


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 12:54 am:

.....and then there's "like" talk! You know, like "she goes,....and then I'm like,.....and then he goes,.....and then he's like,.....and then we're all like,......and now I'm like,......getting somewhat "carried away" here, so I'm like,......gonna' quit this now!

Seems that the "like" talk started with young girls of the shopping mall calibre, but nowadays, many young people, both boys and girls use the "like" talk constantly. Drives me "nutz"!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 01:47 am:

So, Harold, are you like maga torqued, or just like torqued??

I guess nobody can punctuate my sentence. =(

John had had had while Joe had had had had had had had proved to be better grammar than had had been.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 01:54 am:

Stan - I guess I'm like,...too tired to tackle that one tonight. I take a crack at that in the morning with my first cuppa' coffee!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 02:11 am:

Where you at?
Where are you at?

Why can't they just say, "Where are you"?

At this point in time.
Basically....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 02:44 am:

Aaron - Yeah, "where are you at",....that's another one of my favorites! And you reminded me of another one,.....how about "in and of itself"? I never have understood that one! And my wife loves to watch shows like "House Hunter", and I actually kinda' like "House Hunter International". That is, until they use the new term,..."price point"! Seems to me like just the word "price" pretty well covers it,.....(???)

Well Aaron, "basically", at this point in time, I think that's about it for me tonight,......time for bed! I think we've all pretty well covered most of our "pet peeves" in regard to our ever-deteriorating American English. But then, who knows,.....we'll see where this thread might lead tomorrow,.....it's been fun, "venting" with you guys,......harold


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By samuel pine on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 03:50 am:

fun aint it. Us old guys been out of school longer
that most. Most our working life, like a trade
that requires no spelling or math. So we cant spell
our way out of a garbage bag. As confusing the english language is, you look at others that have
a hundred letters just to say "how are ya". Then
those people find "2, two, to, too & II", and they are all confused up.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 05:30 am:

I have had such an atrocious day. It has been a really rotten month in a relentlessly difficult year.

I laughed all the way through this thread! It was probably the best five minutes I have had in a week.

Thank you all, so much! I really needed that laugh.

I do try to spell correctly, and I do use spell-check. I almost always proofread at least twice. I can be very strict about proper word usage. Sometimes, still I post mistakes. I hate that.
I catch errors all around me as well as almost anybody can. But the truth is, some of these things can be attributed to colloquialism. Many errors cannot be, there just is no excuse. Either way, there are several regular posters on this forum that I do not want to grade their papers for them. However, I look forward to enjoying the reading of what they have to say. Regardless of how they say it. They are good people, they like their model Ts and make good caretakers for parts of our history. They have good hearts, or souls if you prefer. I like them, and consider them to be my friends, even if I never do get to meet them face to face.
So while we are ranting about the decline of America, and alternating that with poking fun out of the great uneducated. Let us also let our friends from a different corner of this once great land know that they are welcome here. And that they always will be welcome here.
I won't name names now. However there are several that I would be really disappointed if they left us.
Drive carefully, and enjoy the holidays! W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 05:43 am:

Some of you fellas should be thankful you can at least communicate! Many people are not so lucky!

There are more important things to worry about in life then spelling. Thank the good Lord that you are able to spell, write and type.


Now I'm going back to work on my "T" or is Tea or Tee?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Kable on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 06:48 am:

Allan Bennett,
Seems there may be a case of different countries having different rules.

I agree with your Fit and Fitted example.

When I submitted the article on Motor Campers to the Vintage Ford I wrote

" One of the most ingenious units was the “Telescopic Apartment” featured in Volume 33 No 3 of the Vintage Ford which fitted onto a roadster in place of the rear deck"

When the Vintage Ford came out it had been changed to:-
"One of the most ingenious units was the “Telescopic Apartment” featured in Volume 33 No 3 of the Vintage Ford which fit onto a roadster in place of the rear deck"

When I questioned the editor he informed me the proof reader had corrected it and FIT was correct ????

Next time I am going to write "which plonked/dropped or was wacked onto a roadster in place of the rear deck"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G.R.Cheshire on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 07:33 am:

Harold, here in the South the one that always gives me a laugh is to hear someone say Chester Drawers when they mean Chest of Drawers
G.R.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 07:40 am:

I am very guilty of using the "Where you at?" term, and even if I were to bother to include 'are', it would still be "Where are you at?" I do know that it is incorrect, but I don't let that get in my way.:-)

Steve eluded to something else above. Silent H's. I know some words definitely have the silent H. Honor, Heir, etc. But is it really proper to say "istoric" rather than "Historic"? Do those same folks say "istory" or "History"? Something else I've found amusing, of the few Texans I have met in person, I think every one of them pronounced "Houston" like "You-stun". But that's nothing. My son lives in Houston County, GA. It is pronounced "House-ton", so go figure.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 10:37 am:

Gosh I guess I now know why it sounds like the U.N. is in session down every isle at Walmart. English is just to hard for America's recent batch of "diversity" immigrants to deal with.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 12:14 pm:

Hey Bud (aka Kenneth W. DeLong)- I think you really started something with this.. :-)

Actually, I agree with all the improvement comments made above, but just pass on correcting them.

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jem Bowkett on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 12:29 pm:

Honestly I despair of you Americans! We leave you with a perfectly good language for a couple of hundred years, and look at the mess you've got into!
;^)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jem Bowkett on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 12:31 pm:

Sorry, should read "...mess into which you have got"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 12:44 pm:

I would say that the western United States has the purest English language! :-). You see, after the settlers arrived in the colonies, there was a western migration and for many years the west was isolated from most of the world, keeping the language pure.

During the same period, England conquered the world and picked up many influences from the native languages of all the world, especially the western Europeans.

The eastern United States was exposed to more of the people from all over and the language also had a metamorphosis. Meanwhile the west was still isolated.

In more recent years, the Pacific coast has had an influx from Asia, and the mid-east. It is also influenced by Spanish migration. So the west coast English is now changing. Eventually the changes will occur all over the world due to the rapid transportation of today.

So we will need a new spell check system which reflects the various dialects.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Schrope - Upland, IN on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 09:23 pm:

How long has it been since anyone has heard a true southern accent? It was common when I was a kid back in the '50's. Now? Nope, it's gone.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keith g barrier on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 09:29 pm:

Fred, you just ain't been around here!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls, WI on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 09:43 pm:

How many know what a bubbler is?

Nobody from Wisconsin is allowed to answer this question.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 10:00 pm:

A water fountain.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 10:07 pm:

I do,but I ain't goin tell you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By michael grady on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 10:15 pm:

I feel sorry for the man who only knows one way to spell a word.

M. Twain


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Aldrich Orting Wa on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 02:59 am:

Artesian well?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 04:33 am:

Oh,....ya' mean little Jimmie Artesian? Naw,.....he had a little mishap with his Model "T" and died a couple years ago. Tried crank'n that "T" of his with his right hand just one too many times an' fergot ta' retard the spark. That sucker kicked back and threw Jimmie against that left front fender where he hit his head so hard, he was dead by the time he hit that concrete garage floor. Too bad too 'cause except for that dent his head put in that fender, it had been a really nice clean Model "T"! (....pretty sure it broke his right arm too!)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 04:40 am:

Ha,ha,.....sorry John. I was just watching a bunch of Carol Burnett Show "out-takes" on youtube and between Carol Burnett, Vicky Lawrence, Harvey Korman and Tim Conway,.....well, let's just say it sorta' put me in a "strange" mood!

(.....besides that, this thread is just about played out anyway, right.....???)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 04:44 am:

And by the way, I think Stan's right,.....I think a "bubbler" IS a fountain,....a drinking fountain I believe!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 09:11 am:

Harold,I sure hope so! Bud.PS,I think a [bubbler] is before a [skid mark].Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By samuel pine on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 09:56 am:

OK spell check question. When you preveiw your
post or reply, words highlighted in yellow need to
be corrected. Ok so how ya do it. I clicked on it I
come short of hitting this thing with a hammer.
there should be a box to click on like "correct it"
dartardly computors.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 10:03 am:

Just scroll down to your original message text at the bottom of the page, then after you have made your corrections, click on "Preview/Post Message" again.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 10:25 am:

In response to Allen's post about disappearing words: What the heck happened to the word "much"?
Why are things to day "so fun" instead of "so much fun"? George Orwell's 1984 New Speak is creeping into our vocabularies and we ainta' gonna' stoper.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 11:57 am:

The day the English language stops evolving is the day it becomes a dead language.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 12:09 pm:

I think worse than incorrect spelling is when you are trying to listen to a speaker who keeps saying, "Okay?"
It distracts form the sentence the speaker just said.
First make sure the gas is turned on, OKAY?
You can have the throttle down a notch or two OK, but make sure the spark lever is way up, OKAY?
There is NO REASON to say OKAY. NONE!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 12:20 pm:

My pet peeve is when you say [thank you], now instead of [your welcome] anyone under 30 plus responds with [no problem].PS,Aaron,Thank you for the kind word! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 01:49 pm:

Bud - I think a lot of those same "under 30's" that you mentioned are those who never greet a person with the word "hello" or even a simple "hi" anymore. Now, the one-word greeting seems to be "Hey". Doesn't make sense to me, but then I'm about 42 years "over 30", so I guess there are a lot of things and expressions nowadays whereby I just "don't get it"!

(.....interesting how this thread just seems to keep going, and going, and going,.....like the "energizer bunny"!)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 01:49 pm:

Ya, no problem Bud.

It makes no sense to hear that. When you thank a person who is paid to do a service they should say, "you're welcome". Of course it's no problem, that's what they are getting paid for.
I hope that one goes away like basically did.

I am getting pretty tired of hearing Happy Holidays.
Yesterday I was in a pharmacy, the clerk in the window next to me told her customer, "Merry Christmas". When I left I went to her window to say Merry Christmas to her. I could tell by the smile she knew why I did it.
Here in politically correct Taxafornia it is not nice to say Merry Christmas. It might offend a terrorist.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 02:10 pm:

Aaron - Boy! You've opened up a whole new area of "pet peeves" with that one!

When a store clerk or sales person says "Happy Holidays" to me, I make a big deal out of it by responding by saying to him or her,........"actually,.....Merry Christmas to you, and that's with a capitol "C",.....and invariably, the person then responds back with a big smile and a "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year". The immediate big smile is what tells me that they understand the point I'm trying to make and agree wholeheartedly!

P.S. Has anybody noticed this past couple years how hard it is to find Christmas cards that actually say "Christmas"? I don't mind saying to anybody that I find that cards that say ONLY "Seasons Greetings", or "Happy Holidays" to be offensive!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 04:50 pm:

Politicians redouble their efforts a lot.
What B.S. They did not double them in the first place.
If you put all of your effort into something how can you double it? Now you tell me you will redouble it? That's four times full effort. Can't be done.

Basically, at this point in time I will redouble my effort, Okay? No problem.
Like, Eye got better things two dew. OKAY?
Happy Holidays guys.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls, WI on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 05:40 pm:

Yes, a bubbler is a water fountain - originally made by Kohler I think.

Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Christ, so it isn't Happy Holidays or Season's Greetings! I always respond with Merry Christmas unless I know you are Jewish and do not celebrate the date.

It was interesting many years ago when I visited with friends in Europe. They asked me why we use the word 'do'. It is really an extra word that we use here in the states for an unknown reason. I wonder if they use this work in England or down under. Why say 'Do you want to go to the store?' when 'You want to go to the store?' says the same thing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 06:36 pm:

Here's another old question. "How are you?" Answer, unless I have just come from the doctor,"how would I know? I feel OK or I hurt, or I feel sick" When someone asks me "how are you?" I just say, "I'm here" If one answers, "Very well, thank you" and is not really very well, it is a lie. If one tells the truth, he/she gives more information than the asker wants to hear.

We used to know a lady who when asked, "How are you?" She would start crying, and give a list of why she didn't feel good. This happened every time we saw her. We soon learned to say, "good morning Mrs. Anderson" or "good afternoon Mrs. Anderson"

Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 06:48 pm:

Norm - Funny you should bring that up! When people ask me,...."how are you?" I quite often answer like my Dad used to answer that question; I'll sometimes answer,....well,......there's room for improvement!" Or,......well,.......I got up again this morning!"

Strange, isn't it Norm, that as we get older, we tend to give a bit more thought to a simple question like,......"how are you?" I suppose that's because as we "age", we tend to have some days that are better than others!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 07:07 pm:

I don't know, maybe it's a Southern thing. Around here we don't ask, "How are you?" We ask "Howya' doin'?"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 09:10 pm:

I knew a lady in San Rafael that when asked, "How are you," would answer, " Not too bad I guess, never had any complaints, you should maybe try me sometime."

My answer is often, "Not too bad for an old goat"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 10:04 pm:

When someone ask me how are you,i tell them i think i'm fine but do not ask that woman i call grandma!! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 10:05 pm:

When someone ask me how are you,i tell them i think i'm fine but do not ask that woman i call Grandma!! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Sunday, December 22, 2013 - 03:33 pm:

Language has evolved since the first time a neanderthal (or it's logical equivalent) pointed at the rock that fell on his head, turned to Ma Neanderthal and grunted "Clork!"

It will continue to evolve regardless of the best intentions of grammar police everywhere.

Having said that, the one thing that gets under my skin more than anything else is when people write:

"I would of gone there." instead of writing "would've" or "would have".

I see it all over the internet.

Oh and for the record - it's "100 miles PER hour" not "an hour" dammitt.

Ok, 'sall I got.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Sunday, December 22, 2013 - 05:07 pm:

Here's one for you. Unfortunately, I don't know if I can explain it in writing. You really need to hear it, but here goes. It is all too common to go into a fast food joint and the girl behind the counter says "Will this be for here or to go?", but she doesn't say it like she is giving you a choice. She says it like there is a third option that she's not mentioning. She gives a higher inflection on the last word "go". Kinda like "Will this be for here or to go?......Or would you rather us deliver it?" But she never says the deliver part. It's weird. "Yes" would be a perfectly correct answer for the way she asked the question. One sandwich place I go to, in addition to the here or to go question, the girl says "Will that be on white or wheat?", with a high inflection on "wheat". Makes you want to say "Yes, it will be on white or wheat." I don't know how she doesn't see how weird that sounds. And it's not just her. Pretty common around here. I have no idea where that came from.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Sunday, December 22, 2013 - 06:05 pm:

The reason for the question, at least around here is that to go food is not taxed, but there is sales tax on food you eat in. Actually when a person asks a question the voice is usually raised, at least in pitch for the last word.

Another thing I have noticed about the younger generation of speakers is that most talk as if their mouths are full of braces. There are so many wearing braces these days, that I think they just pick up that sound in the same way people pick up a regional dialect.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Sunday, December 22, 2013 - 06:43 pm:

Taxed either way here. The reason for the question is so they know how to package it. Paper bag or plastic tray. It's not that they ask the question. It's how they ask the question. It's like they are asking a yes or no question, not asking you to make a choice. It's more like ordering coffee and them asking "Do you want cream or sugar?" The question is asked kinda like that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Sunday, December 22, 2013 - 07:13 pm:

Hal I had that question asked of me yesterday.
Do you want white or wheat?
My answer was: Yes.
The waitress, whom I know, works at the local diner. She just shook her head and brought me wheat because that is what I get all the time.

Herb


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Sunday, December 22, 2013 - 09:25 pm:

Danial,
That guy that goes 100 mile an hour, is he about 6 foot tall and lives about twenty mile down the road? He has a sixty by twenty foot shed that sits back about forty foot off the road..
At least 100 miles (with an S) is a step in the right direction.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Monday, December 23, 2013 - 02:24 am:

Heh - thanks for the chuckle, Aaron.

Hal, many years ago George Carlin had a joke that sort of went something like this:

Waitress - Will you be dining in or taking it with you?

George - I'd kinda like to do both!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Monday, December 23, 2013 - 07:32 am:

When they ask me "How are you?" I often answer, "I'll be all right" That gets them thinking!

We have one particular fellow who insists on greeting folks with "How are we?" I tell him that I'm all right but he needs to consult someone else about how he is!

Allan from down under.


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