OT if you know any retired military show them this!

Topics Last Day Last Week Tree View    Getting Started Formatting Troubleshooting Program Credits    New Messages Keyword Search Contact Moderators Edit Profile Administration
Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: OT if you know any retired military show them this!
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G.R.Cheshire on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 06:39 pm:

Makes my blood boil
http://www.news4jax.com/news/effect-of-budget-angers-retired-military-members/-/ 475880/23568870/-/gtpimt/-/index.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Tillstrom on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 07:38 pm:

Typical. Paul Ryan is no conservative, I believe he is positioning himself for the next election.

We have to pay for the free health care that we're providing to all the illegals and the dead beats some how. We are a small voting block so they target us. Nice how that works out for them as going after the service man is safe for them.

Ask yourself this question, all the lazy non workers, dope smoking losers who attach themselves to the govt teat will vote for the same party every time. Why is that and why do supposedly educated people vote with the mooch's of society? The providers by a wide majority vote the other way.

You and I will be ok but we are being asked to continue to sacrifice to cover the losers. I wished every spending bill required those that vote for it to sign below the following statement: We the undersigned have determined that the money allocated in this bill (taken from you) is being put to better use than you would do with it if it were to remain in your hands. Just maybe we could stop squandering money on useless stuff. For instance, Berkly was awarded $800K to educate men in Africa to was their deal before sex. This was part of the stimulus package. There was plenty of waste that our congressional members (especially princess Nancy) should have to make right in front of their constituents.

Gary T. AD1 USN Ret (currently in the still working class for another 12 years).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Vaughn on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 08:24 pm:

Yes, what a wonderful Christmas gift from our government. This is so that our government can keep spending more. The thing that gripes me is that they say that we are still young enough to work so they will just take more from us. That's not what they said when we were offered a retirement. Our military retirement is still subject to all federal income taxes it is taxed in many states. What you aren't being told is that if cola is less than 1% you will take a pay cut to what you were already receiving.

I wonder where this country would be if the members of the military gave 1% less. The government saves 6 billion dollars, it is a chump change tax in the grand specter of things. It means that I will make $250 less a year but wait that pays for the insurance on 2 Model T's. Oh yes, I'm young enough to work and do but I pay taxes on every dollar I earn. Just another way of redistributing from those who work to those who don't. We increase welfare rolls everyday.

Mike Vaughn NCCS USN Ret (currently in the still working class for another 9 years.)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Aldrich Orting Wa on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 09:06 pm:

I sent the link (and a personal message) to Sen Patty Murray who is from my state and co-drafted this abortion.

Wonder if I'll get a response...

USN Ret


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 09:22 pm:

Gary, what did you mean in that sentence,"Berkly was awarded $800K......

I assume Berkeley was awarded the money at U.C. Berkeley but I would be interested to know what it was about please.
some place you must have missed a word.?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Tillstrom on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 07:47 am:

U.C. Berkeley was awarded the $800K to institute a health education program in Africa stressing to african men the importance of washing their junk before sex to prevent infections.

I carpool with a liberal who when I mentioned some of the waste in that stimulus says, "$800 isn't a lot of money". My response to him was go find 500 people off the street to write on a piece of paper the balance of there savings account and place it in a box. Next add them up and see if you get $800K. Its real money to many.

That was only one example. The town I live in has some useless planters for flowers (now dead) thank to the stimulus program. Oh yeah, we got a few decorative lights too! $125,000 taken by force because our wonderful leaders know how to spend your money better than you do.

I would like to see welfare abolished. When I brought this up to my car pooler his response was, "then they will just be in the neighborhoods stealing". To which my response was, "so then we agree they are criminals".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Wightman on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 09:12 am:

Thank god this plan only applies to African men, washing off their junk before sex, not mutts like me. I have over an acre of junk. If I have to was that all off before I can have sex, well, I'll never get it all washed off... Is this some kind of birth control plan? Maybe the Church will adopt it in lieu of the pill? I would like to get on welfare, took, but frankly I am just to lazy to go apply for it. Rollie


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 09:58 am:

The govt is just following the lead of what they have gotten away with in private industry the last dozen years. Your govt pension has benefitted from COLA all these years. My (underfunded) pension from a highly profitable company, is the same dollars as when I retired in 2000. With COLA, it would be about double. If the co. were to go bankrupt, like almost all airlines, the govt picks up the pension and pays 65%. Pensioners are at the whim of the co.

Your anger would be better aimed at the CONgress and big companies who own them. For example, the F-35 is a $1.5 Trillion program the USAF doesn't even want. That's 10% of our national debt.

Bernanke and that ilk talk about retraining our workforce for the new economy; "Welcome to MaoMart." They have sold our manufacturing to the cheapest bidder.

The top 10% are thriving; the rest of us are threatened with unemployment.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 10:03 am:

Of course, they never think of cutting welfare!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 10:29 am:

I don't know much about what it takes to qualify for welfare, do you?

What if you're 50, live in a small town in the rust belt, and your decent manufacturing job went to the ChiComs? I believe you have to use up your unemployment, use up your 401k, sell your house and use that, before qualifying for welfare. Oh, you might also have to be supporting a child under 18.

Or, you could apply for Social Security disability. Those ranks have swelled.

Sure, there are welfare queens and cheats; most of them in CONgress, it seems.

I don't know the answers, but I know they are more complex than any of you seem to realize.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Tillstrom on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 10:37 am:

"For example, the F-35 is a $1.5 Trillion program the USAF doesn't even want. That's 10% of our national debt."

They should have never passed that law that allowed it since it wasn't even wanted in the first place. Oh wait, you're talking about the F-35 while I was thinking of Obama care.

You pick your waste of tax dollars and I'll pick mine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Vaughn on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 12:27 pm:

So Ricks, does because private industry has done something that the government is now doing, does that make it right? Also if you look, our military pensions have not had cola increases every year or full cola increases every year. This is just a big thank you from our current government for the decades of service and sacrifice that we have made for this country. You are correct in saying that there are people that need help, most of those people would rather be working and earning a living. But there are many more that just have their hands out, never work and look for more hand outs and we just keep giving to them. Many of them are in congress!

I have been out to sea during general elections, because of slow mail delivery I did not even receive my absentee ballot until after the election was over. Do you think anybody cared? I have been on 9 month deployments with only 2 four day port visits, working 12-16 hours per day 7 days per week the rest of the time. I missed the birth of one of my children, and her first steps. Do you think anyone cared? This is how our country thanks us that continued to sacrifice for decades with the belief that we would be paid later in life for our service?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 04:20 pm:

Did I defend what the govt is doing, Mike? I just tried to expand on it. I had my two years slave wages in the Army, thank you. I will get a flag, maybe.

Gary, Obamacare is a giveaway to the insurance companies, just like Medicare Part D for drugs is a giveaway to big Pharma. The govt can't even negotiate discounts, so once you fall in the gap, you pay full retail for drugs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Tillstrom on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 05:16 pm:

You have highlighted why govt should be out of the social welfare business. They are ill equipped to administer such programs efficiently. It has now been 50 years since we started the war on poverty. Appalachia has a huge meth problem and the crime rates are higher than before. The same can be said of large metro areas. What does govt do when such programs have failed? Do more of the same.


Posting is currently disabled in this topic. Contact your discussion moderator for more information.
Topics Last Day Last Week Tree View    Getting Started Formatting Troubleshooting Program Credits    New Messages Keyword Search Contact Moderators Edit Profile Administration