1927 Sport Touring continued.... all dressed up/nowhere to go

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: 1927 Sport Touring continued.... all dressed up/nowhere to go
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 07:55 pm:

I got the engine delivered to Tulsa to have it rebuilt. While its out I might as well do a clean up and repaint. I knew the paint was peeling when I bought it. I took it to my buddys shop today and used his steam cleaner to finish stripping the paint. It was coming off in pieces as big as one foot square. Made it easy to strip it off. I do not know what they did or did not do, but the black had no bond to the primer. The little remaining black paint is probably original Ford paint in areas the people before me did not get removed when they did there repaint. I think the car is a good original that was not taken apart very far for the re-paint. The red primer is stuck very good. Im not doing a show job, so Im going to DA sand it with some 220 or finer grit and just spot putty the few small scratches, seal it with DP-90 and paint her with Anchor brand B-179 fast dry semi-gloss speciality paint. Its very durable, dries in minutes, flows well, and cost about 30.00 per gallon. To me it is closer to the original paint used on the Ts than the fancy pro body shop stuff at 300 to 400 dollars per gallon, that require special hardners, primers, clear coats,ect, that also cost 100s of dollars. I also steam cleaned the top and seat covers. I tried to cover them and finally gave up and said to heck with it.... I steamed the top inside and out and it looks very nice now. I tried not to soak the top pads, and a quick once over of the inside made it look nice again. I left the top up and with the car backwards on the trailer I pulled it 10 miles home, at about 40 miles per hour. I had no problems with the top, and it was almost dry by the time I got home. Might not win many shows but she will be dressed in a nice new black coat, but with no engine, we will have nowhere to go. Two of the pics are from when I bought it, and the ad is what a sport touring is supposed to look like. Ill post more about my 1927 Sport Touring can of worms as the saga continues ... Be carefull and stay warm ... Donnie ...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 08:01 pm:

27 T27 T 227T 327 T 427 T 527 T 6


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 08:04 pm:

One of the before pics did not load, but one will give you a idea of before I started on her ...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 08:07 pm:

Donnie, I say one of your threads once that said that you "broke" your T. What happened to the engine?

Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Holland, Utah on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 08:19 pm:

Donnie, Nice touring! I have never heard of that paint. Where do you find it? I agree about the paint on a T. Heck, they flowed it on with a nozzle and touched it up with a brush. Some of those restored T's look shinier than a new Mercedes. I have seen Anchor brand varnishes here in Utah, but not paint.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joseph Geisler on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 08:20 pm:

Donny your place hasn't changed a lick! Still looks the same as when I was last there about 7 years ago? Is the 28-9 Pick up hot rod done? Still have the 18 Touring? Still heating the house with wood?
Joe in Mo.
And, oh yes, the 27 looks really good!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 08:37 pm:

Stephen, The person before me had inherited it from his brother and knew nothing about a T. He had the timer off so far that you had to run it fully advanced to even get it to run. In about a minute or two it would heat the manifold up red hot. I think from doing that over and over they burnt the valves up. I did a quick valve job and then that is when the cracks started showing up. I got it to run good, but it leaks oil everwhere, the head was cracked, and I have a crack from the #1 main bearing bolt hole, out thru the timing cover, and all the way into the inside. It just turned into a can of worms. I have about 30 spare engines, so I took the best of my 26-27 parts to Mike Bender in Tulsa to have another engine pro built. I can do them myself but, it was time to step back from the can of worms for awhile. Kevin. I will try to get some info on the paint tomorrow. The stuff dries almost as fast as laquer. On a lot of my low budget stuff I have sprayed it without any primer over a unprepared surface that was just washed and cleaned as best you could at a car wash and using scuff pads. I have not had a failure yet. Joe: Now you can not say it has not changed any. That is a brand new pile of firewood, and I have raked the leaves a couple times. The 29 pickup is done and on its 3rd set of tires. Ill post a pic of it for you. Come by and see me if you are down this way...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 08:46 pm:

Joe: At the risk of being OT and offending the purist, heres the model A 29 model A and 66 ironhead


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren W. Mortensen on Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 09:06 pm:

Looks like a plan there, Donnie. Best of luck on it!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Van on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 09:18 am:

interesting, your wire wheels are just as bright as mine. Can't wait to see it finished. I call my '27 a sport touring as well, but it really likes about 32 MPH than anything faster.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 10:16 am:

Joe V. 32 mph is "Sporting Along" in a T. I call mine a Sport Touring because it has all the items a true Sport Touring should have, or could have. It "should have" wire wheels, bumpers, nickel plated engine bolts, gypsy curtains and top boot (tan canvas or black material) it "could have" vacuum wipers, dash light, "STOP" tail light, wind wings instead of gypsy curtains. I am still researching a few other items. I think the nuts on the back of the coil box for the timer wires are nickel plated as well as the spark plug terminal nuts. (most of my terminal nuts are plated) The steering wheel nut is also nickel My car has all of the above except the glass wind wings. The car had a "surface restoration" about 12 years ago according to the previous owner. The top and gypsy curtains and uphoulstery were replaced as well as a surface paint job. The car did not appear to have been taken apart to paint it. as all the bolts appeared to be original style thick heads and square nuts where they should have been. All the other items for a sport touring were there and appear to be original items and not repro. (it does have a repro aftermarket moto-meter) Its missing the front 2 hubcaps. Im looking for a nice useable pair of original ones. and a set of wind wing brackets. I have a set of NOS wind wing brackets but I am missing the parts that clamp to the windshield post. I always start my "Posts" with sport touring in the title. I have found out that a lot of T people are not familiar with them or the sport roadster. If anyone has more input on the Sport Tourings and also the Sport Roadsters I would appreciate it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth from NC on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 01:35 pm:

Hey Donnie what engine is in that Model A truck? I really the way the whole truck sits. Those let pipes are nasty!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 06:23 pm:

Hi Seth. The engine is a Ford 289 (imagine, I actually used a Ford in a Ford) It has a factory Ford stock Tri-power setup with 3 correct Holley 2bl carbs. I built the headers myself as there was nothing available for a small block Ford engine that would work. They run to dual exhaust under the car with "Smitty" mufflers. It has a 1937 Ford straight front axle with a 4 inch drop. I dropped the 8 inch Ford rear end 7 inches. The cab was set back 2 inches on the frame for engine room and the bed was shortened 6 inches for proportions to look right. The wheels are 14 inch "chrome reverse" The rear door posts in a 28-29 Model A Pk are wood. But the wood is the exact shape of 26-27 coupe/tudor steel door post. They are a direct fit changeover. I have never understood why Henry made wood posts for the 28-29 pickups, when he already had steel posts in production.?? Its my daily driver, and tow vehicle for my 1966 Harley Ironhead that was chopped in 1966. I know the purist are having a nervous breakdown at this time, but Ill try to post a pic of the pick-up when I started on it, to maybe settle them down some.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 07:48 pm:

A before pic and a close up of a Ford in a Ford ...beforetri-power


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown on Friday, December 20, 2013 - 07:53 pm:

Kevin ... The model A is painted with the B-179 paint that I mentioned. It is the same paint I plan on using on the 27 touring.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Van on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 09:30 am:

don,
I have the wire wheels, dash light, and nickel plated everything on my car. I am saving my pennies to order a set of gypsy curtains and top boot in the tan canvas. The car came with an reproduction motometer as well when I purchased it.

I just completed a major overhaul of the engine, magneto and transmission this year. the car had 2 cracked drums when I purchased it and I am amazed at how easy it starts and how well it drives now that everything is correct.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 10:40 pm:

Joe. I want to get a set of gypsy curtains and top boot in tan canvas also. My car has them but they are black. Does your car have bumpers. I am fairly sure all the sport tourings and roadsters had them. I can stand corrected on that as I am no expert. Does your car have nickel plated nuts on the spark plugs and the timer wires at the back of coil box.? I have been told by another sport touring owner that they are supposed to be nickel plated. ...... Donnie ...


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