Pancake hassler installation question

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: Pancake hassler installation question
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Moorehead on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 06:50 pm:

The behive type Hassler shocks require the perch to be transposed from left to right and right to left in order to work properly.
Do the perches need to be transposed in the same way when installing pancake type Hasslers?
A friend is asking and I did not know what to tell him other than with my limited experience with the behive type.
Thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 07:43 pm:

No, the perches are just turned 180 degrees in the axle, from what Dan Trease told me. The correct angle is built into the Hassler mounting part.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Okey on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 10:12 pm:

If someone has Pancake Hasslers on the front of their car could they please look to see where the Perch boss is located?I think if the boss is toward the rear then the Perches have been transposed.If they are toward the front then they were rotated 180 degrees.Is this correct?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 10:56 pm:

Just rotate the perch. Don't move the perches as required for the earlier Hasslers. The Pancake style front hanger I
Is angled for the needed offset. Just spin each front perch in its hole and you are good


http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/82485.html?

Scroll down to the 1924 adv. and look at Item 4. It's notes not to remove the perches.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 10:59 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Okey on Sunday, December 22, 2013 - 09:39 am:

Here is my problem.I installed them as you described by installing the Left Perch in the Left side of the Axle and the Right Perch in the Right side and rotating them 180 degrees facing toward the wheels.Also the Oilers on the Hasslers are in the front and the Brass tags are readable from the front of the car.When the Wishbone Ball is raised toward the Socket on the Transmission and the proper Pitch is achieved (1/4 - 5/16)the ball is 1" from the socket and the wishbone is 1/2" short.I jacked the wishbone into the socket and installed the cap and because the axle rotated and the bottom of the axle became closer to the transmission the wishbone was long enough to fit.But the Pitch was wrong with the top of the axle too far forward.I respect your opinion and appreciate your comments as I am a new poster here and I do not know you but have you looked at a car with Pancake Hasslers on the front to see where the Perch bosses are located?Hassler front


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keith g barrier on Sunday, December 22, 2013 - 11:23 am:

Correct me if I am wrong, weren't the pancake type more for the late 25 and 26-7 with the lower arched front spring? KGB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Sunday, December 22, 2013 - 11:30 am:

It sounds as though someone had perhaps previously swapped the perches - the front axle must be tipped with the top towards the rear with the front radius rod in the proper position.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Sunday, December 22, 2013 - 03:49 pm:

Bob

I have run Pancakes on my '26 and current set on my '
24 touring

The correct method is to rotate only the perches. The 'boss' will be on the front of the perch when spun around.

Check again the Hasslers arm is not out of shape by ancient accident. I have run across bent arms before
Front arms are left and right. Yours seem correct as the oilers are out front.

My view from the description is perhaps your axle is bent. have you checked the axle? Or the engine pan may be out of whack if the wishbone won't fit up without pulling the axle back. When the wishbone is placed the bottom of the axle should push out and tip the spindles back

Or the engine pan could be the source of issue
A bent pan socket can cause problems for fitting the wishbone

Remove and check all parts. You can lay the Hasslers arms on a flat and see the built in angle in the arms
Good luck. Finding the fix is usually a trial fit and test problem to solve making sure all factory parts are good and then checking the accessory parts too





Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Okey on Sunday, December 22, 2013 - 04:47 pm:

Dan, I have some tear down to do to check the parts.I have a friend who knows how to check the axle for bends with dowel pins or whatever he uses not sure of the method .The engine pan was straightened on a jig by a professional.He also rebuilt the engine.I noticed the angle on each arm and they looked fine.I will look at them more closely after I disassemble everything. Does your 24 have a high arch spring and your 26 a low arch spring?Do you think the low arch spring would make any difference?Thank you for your ideas.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Sunday, December 22, 2013 - 08:33 pm:

If you like,get a short piece of 9/16 dowel rod and slip through the eye on spring mount. Imagine this rod to be level with the ground. This will show you if a pearch is off,or an arm on the shock. Remember the spring itself sets straight up in the frame.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Okey on Sunday, December 22, 2013 - 08:53 pm:

Jack,I will try that during the tear down probably in the New Year.Thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Monday, December 23, 2013 - 08:13 pm:

An only slightly tweaked front cross-member can make the wishbone not want to line up into place. All it has to do is angle the front spring forward a very small amount.
If it isn't off much, and the pan is known straight (for crankshaft reasons), forcing it into place usually works out fine.
Good luck!
drive carefully, and do enjoy the Christmas holidays! W2


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