This relates to recent post about Edsel's 1912 speedster. Once again,Prove It!! Bud.
Kerry, I think Bud's referring to this link:
Same question today.Where is the proof?? Bud.
I double dog dare you!
Can it be proved that the touring car Henry tore apart with his bare hands had a 6 cyl engine?? Bud.
What sort of proof would suit you Bud? Is an eyewitness account from the book written by Philip Van Doren Stern insufficient?
Perhaps you need archival footage and a sworn, notarized statement from four other people who were present?
Here's the quote from George Brown when Henry hacked up the car:
"He [Mr. Ford] could have fired the whole bunch, he was so mad. He was mad because they put something out that was away from his universal type of car, his frame, and that's what made him mad."
Royce,I have been reading Tin Lizzie by Stearn since about 1961 and i have to find a reference to a 6 cyl in that car? The book/story did say it was a 4 door touring. Bud.
Perhaps it was a V12 then?
I think it was the water pump that sent Henry over the edge. Henry enjoyed the six cylinder as he set many a world record with it. He beat up on higher horsepower cars with the six also. He put a six in a car and drove it around out running several larger cars and though it was a great joke. So a motor that made him LOTS of money and LOTS of fame could not be the problem. Has to be the water pump. Scott
The car does not have a water pump.
Bud, If you don't think this car is the car described in Stern's book that would mean there would have to be two Ford prototypes of completely different design being built at exactly the same time. This car fits the time line and narrative perfectly, and it exists. There's no evidence of any other prototype from the period that exists nor evidence that any other car fits the story.
Royce, Did not someone post a picture of a six cylinder style T motor with a water pump? So how many of these six cylinder motors were built and how many had water pumps? Scott
Here is a 6 cylinder with water pump. From:
That picture is an engine made from two ordinary T engines. It is made by lopping off cylinder #1 from one engine, and cylinder #4 from another, then welding together. Sounds simple but it is anything but. A number of these have been made over the years by enthusiasts.
Giveaway is two Ford scripts on the block and two water inlets on the side of the block.
Jim has conveniently posted a picture of a non - Ford built six cylinder Model T engine. Thanks Jim!
You folks are getting a little to uptite.
"This car fits the time line and narrative perfectly, and it exists."
If Henry tore it apart then how does it still exist? I would guess that what Henry tore apart, stayed torn apart.
The one in the "Edsel" speedster is a special animal. It has separate (presumably) iron cylinders bolted to an aluminum crankcase.