No relation to the seller. Saw this ad and wanted to pass it along.
Thanks. A well presented ad.
Those of us with a little more memory, than the average pet, will remember seeing this one before. Seems the suggestions given were heeded. I did notice, there was no price in the ad....
"POR" - really? I just don't get sellers who don't put their price in the ad. Do they think that helps it sell? Seems to me it only aggravates potential buyers. Why not be up front and honest rather than playing silly games?
Its a neat car, i would get it running and drive as is.
I agree with Steve. Not putting price is a huge turn off. It's like these dealers who say "inquire". What's the problem? Don't they know what they want for the car ? Or is the price so high that they are ashamed to let people see it?
Vehicle has been listed previously on this site and HCCA. Don't remember the asking price. Created a great deal of discussion.
Agree with Scott and Steve. I walk away from having any interest when no price is posted.
I love the pinstripes on the wheels
If you are going to sell any vehicle:
Take current images showing what someone is actually buying.
Don't promise additional parts you don't have.
List a price - if you are firm then state so - if you are open to offers then say so.
If your vehicle has not ran in let's say - 40 years - it may need to be completely overhauled - price your vehicle accordingly.
If your vehicle has been for sale for several months - there probably is a good reason it has not found a new home.
I believe the price was $18,000 when first listed. If my memory is correct.
I think it was first listed asking what a fare price would be and after a few comments and prices in the 8500.00 range the owner got upset. His reaction to the comments was to keep raising the price to up over 18000.00. He had fond memories of his dad restoring the vehicle and some opinions from people his dad knew who had not seen the car for years saying it was worth high dollars. After a few posts he did seem to realize the car should have been reassembled and cleaned up, which he did.
I asked the seller what the price is and it's 18k. I think a fair price would be around 14-15k. The car hasn't run in 40 years so there is a lot of maintenance to be done. Carb and intake are missing as well as windshield glass.
Seller is overly optimistic.
The price has now been posted to the ad.
You guys all fail to realize some factors, which I intend to clarify for you.
First, when my Dad died the estate appraiser was sent to the Model T Guru in this area. The name is Horning. This fellow is as knowledgeable in this field as anyone. He appraised the car at $15k, site unseen. Meaning he didn't have to look at the car to know the value. Secondly, I've told All of the folks that have inquired $18,000.00, because this keeps ALL the "parts scavengers" at bay. Instead of bickering, why don't you just ask. No, I'm not ashamed of the price. Kim states that it is a $14-15k car, maybe so. But, I've also had people say it's a $10k car at best-Peter from Toledo. I'm not stupid, I'm not just going to piss it away. Too much of that has has happened already. The asking price is $18k, if you want it, pay it, if not, move on. Maybe you can sucker some idiot into selling you something for half it's value. The opinions expressed here really does not mean squat to me. It just reinforces my opinion that you are like a bunch of chickens squawking back and forth.
Jim Schenk Sr.,
Is this Round 3 for you ?
You had a couple chances already to find a Buyer here on the MTFCA site - that did not happen .....
Consider re-evaluating your approach in trying to sell your Model T ......
I knew I had seen an ad for that car before, thanks for the reminder!
Some of your opinions are to which I was referencing. Round 3? Maybe. Doesn't matter. I'm not a hard person to get along with. It just so happens that I've had interest AT MY ASKING PRICE. They just couldn't come up with the cash. And yes, It's been more than one person. So when you knock the car, and you try to knock me, just KNOW that there are people out there that see the value in the car that I see.
If I wanted to just "Give It Away," I could have done this months ago. Why don't all of you sell your Model T's for $10k? Or better yet, give them away $5k. That would be even better. Anybody out there have a set of Brass Headlamps? I'll give you $20 for a Set. How about $10 for a rear axle??
This is for all you naysayer's and purists'. You look at me as though I am a dumb ass. And you've looked down your noses at me for the last time.
I've tried to keep it economical for someone that doesn't have $35k.
This clearly Did Not Work.
So, I am going to restore the car, and the Price Tag will be double what it is now.
Then you'll have a reason to squawk, bitch, and whine.
And by the way Peter, the car is not for sale to you or any of your cronies.
Jim, You certainly have a heck of a chip on your shoulder or some where. Have you always had such a tender conscience and not able to deal with other peoples comments and advice.
In the future if you come back for any advice about your restoration you need to take the good with the bad and just move forward.
Good Luck with your restoration. It's pretty common knowledge it's nearly impossible to recoup the $$$$ invested that it takes to do a quality restoration unless you want to keep and enjoy the car yourself.
No, I just take offense when people try to take advantage of others. I have several individuals on this site that agree with me.
The car is no longer For Sale as I was offered $20k
Best of luck to you all.
Put it on eBay . Set a reserve and see if you come close to the 14-15 Kim stated. Let the market decide what it's worth. Who knows? It might get more, or less. But it will be seen by the masses and they will decide what it's worth.
I would, but the only people that make money on Ebay is Ebay and Paypal.
It's not that bad,you usually get a higher price than a straight sale since it's an auction type sale, and that makes up for the charges. I've sold several cars on there over the years.
Put it on there with a high reserve, and see what the price gets up to. If it doesn't sell, get a rebuilt carb and get it running, and try again. It will sell, it's a neat T.
I see the ad has been deleted now and yeah that car does look very familiar lol. Too bad he doesn't price it reasonable enough to actually sell.
Can we just give this a rest please. It only took a few comments before the wheels started to come off. Why we do this I don't know or understand. For those of us that have seen this vehicle posted before, we know that the seller is torn on what to do as to pricing because of his T model knowledge and can take comments personally like many of us would do with something we have strong emotions attached to it. His is based on memories of his disabled fathers love of the car. Can't we just see a listing and if we have questions just ask the seller by pm or on the thread without pointed negative opinions that could lead to a spur of the moment reaction from the person. I am thankful mixed in the comments were supportive constructive discussion points without an edge to them. Kim, Richard, Ed and others are prime examples of what good looks like. All of us, me included, as well as the seller should temper our actions with wisdom. I'm not trying to be the thought police but hope that we consider that our hobby grows by our ability to attract more people into the T model experience. I'd ask do you think this thread would entice a new person to join the ranks. We can do better than this, the Coast to Coast thread is a great one to reference as a thread that started with with constructive criticism and ended with support, exhilaration and a feeling of job well done. What it exemplifies is what we are capable of in helping someone with no T experience achieve what most of us will never do. Sometimes it's better to lose the battle to win the war.
Before you step up on the soapbox to preach ....
Read the first thread link which shows the Seller offered this
here on April 21st - then a day later threatened to pull it on April 22nd if he didn't get $15,000 ...
From there things just got worse ......
Some folks can't reload quick enough to stop shooting themselves in the foot - he refused sound advice repeatedly.
If someone wants to keep offering a car here for sale over & over again - if they choose to ignore sound advice - if they start attacking others who have been around here for years .....
They should be prepared for the outcome .....
This is ..... over ....... unless he returns a fourth time trying to sell it with the same approach ....
If you can't stand the Heat - don't start a Fire & keep feeding it.
I didn't post here for round 3. You guys did that by providing links and banter to my craigslist posting.
Which quite frankly, really was none of your damned business.
All I did was jump on your band wagon.
Because I'm not in your circle, and I defend myself,you guys don't like it. Tough, too bad. It's over for me when I say it's over. Not you.
I would NEVER recommend anybody to sell anything on this site.
Hello to all, First off I would like to thank John T. for a very nice well thought out and constructive post. As for F. Jim keep your nose out of places or other peoples business which have no bearing on you. I have had you work for me directly or indirectly three times with excellent results. You have no and I mean NO real idea of value of Model T's. Please leave that up to the professionals like Kim, Mr. Chaffin, and the many others who have been collecting T or been in business for a long time and yes I have been an Appraiser of Value for over 40 years and owned Model T's for over 50 years. These people will tell you what was well bought or sold at the top of its value. Also you need to know all the facts including the ones behind the scenes before you open your mouth and let your ignorance show. Remember constructive comments only! (Please pay no attention to the remark about Jim's mouth I shouldn't have said that. I need to heed my own advice.) I will now leave this topic alone and for all to know this T has been SOLD.
And come on now we all know that POR just gets rid of tire kickers.
Happy Happy, Steve
Well said both John and Steve.
If I had the room, I would consider the car at his asking price. I see these cars as labors of love and not necessarily financial investments. To each his own...
It's great it was sold. I hope the new buyer starts a thread about what it takes to get a restored car that has sat for forty years back on the road. I know of a couple of similar 70's restorations that have not been started for years and will probably (eventually) come up for sale.
Jim, I hate to see you leave this site with bad feelings. This hobby and the people in it are one of the best things that I have been involved in life. I have friends in this hobby that I value deeply, there have been mentors, teachers, researchers and craftsman who have helped me over these many years. To throw us all under the bus is quite short sited on your part. There are bad apples in every barrel, but very few here.
I told you what I thought was fair market value for your car. If you got more, good for you. If you were looking for a group of people to give you bad advise and treat you unfairly, I don't think you found it here.
I also find it amusing that the loudest kid in the sandbox is someone that doesn't even own a Model T and probably doesn't know how to drive one. Yet, this person is a self-appointed authority on all matters Model T related and gets his nose in everyone's business. Steve R. and John T. are correct.
Let's go back to the old system of posting classifieds ads where the seller just lists his item for sale and the interested parties respond directly to him. Eliminate all of this nonsense!
I think the Congress and the Senate have been a bad influence on some people, Lol.
Harry, more often, added comments to ad posts are very instructive. In many ways, this one is no less instructive.
I was Not directing my comments towards all on this site. My apologies to the Good folks here that gave me sound advise, and Thank You for it.
I did not come here looking for a fight. I came here because I thought this would be "The Place' to sell a Model T.
Unless there are two 1913 Tourings in Galion Ohio, this car is on eBay at No reserve.
Two days to go, as of Monday night.
This will be interesting. . . .
I figure it will sell for 14-15 k as Kim stated above.
Small wonder someone wants to produce a reality TV show about our hobby. This situation would be season one and the renewal guaranteed. I look forward to seeing how it comes out!
I really like the car. I specially like that it has apparently itís original leather upholstery. But it will be expensive to get it on the road has been discussed. Radiator, total engine rebuild... and maybe new wheels if they are loose. And thereís also been so much ill will thrown around that if I had the money I would still think twice.
I think it is a nice car. With freshly restored examples bringing 25K and higher, this will likely be an affordable purchase for someone to get a desirable, Brass T. If you know your way around Model Ts, this car should be an easy project to turn into a driver. Lots of potential here. I would think 15K would be a reasonable price for this car in its current condition. Good luck to all the bidders.
Car SOLD for $12,500.
You guys are idiots.
I won't be back.
Still 5500 LESS than you were asking for it.
Letís hope Jr didnít land too close to the tree.
The car actually did not sell if you read what it says in the yellow line at the top.
This listing was ended by the seller because there was an error in the listing.
Joe is correct, the car did not sell. It was ended by the seller. Either he ended the sale early to do a sale "off e-bay" for the 12,500 he says it sold for, or this is just one more time he has said it "sold" but in reality it "did not sell" What I can not understand (one of the many things) is why he did not take the 20,000 dollar offer that he was supposed to have that was offered somewhere above in this long running saga. . Just one more of the many twists to his story. I usually do not get involved in these things but, Wow, what is going on with this guy ... ????? Ok Ill slither back into my cave for now ...
Make sure you look at the full description for the listing - see the additional descriptions that the seller added.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1913-Ford-Model-T-standard-/263483503997?_trksid=p20476 75.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=TwjS5vQfJAN5f0lcT4Ya7tCzIL4%2 53D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
I thought the bidding was already above $13,000 earlier today.
It's foolish to pull the listing and then sell it off line and then brag about it in the listing. eBay frowns on that sort of thing.
If you studied the bid history before it went down, it is highly likely it was shill bidding. Two low-feedback bidders copying each other in a repetitious pattern and then the auction is yanked to sell to someone for less than the high bid. Artificial inflation to alter perception of value.
Wow! lots of anger and animosity in that gentleman- too bad, I sure his father would not be pleased. Perhaps after the car is out of his life he will look back at some point and figure out that this forum was not his enemy.
Exposure when selling is the name of the game and E-Bay does that well, often items sell for more than the going price, just because some one with deep pockets hast to have it.
I personally would have had the car restored and drove it, I couldn't stand the thought that some one might not care for the car or part it out.
From Jim's first posting, he mentions mister Horner giving a sight unseen value of $15000.
It takes a brave man to offer a sight unseen price on any T, let alone one referred by an estate appraiser. There is so much wriggle room on condition, standard of restoration, correct parts, running condition, wheels and tyres etc. that such a valuation is really just a poke in the dark.
Allan from down under.
What Forrest Gump's mom said.
I have to wonder. . .
Has anyone actually seen this car or met this guy? I wonder if this might have been some sort of scam or just a plaything for someone who harbors a ton of ill will against humanity like so many scammers do?
And the seller, if he's real, might also have had no intention of selling the car unless the price were something huge. He just started this fire storm because he enjoys hurting people.
I wonder if this sort of thing went on in the pre-internet days? For all the good it has done, seems the internet brings out the worst in people sometimes.
I hope this guy sells this car someday soon. The name calling is getting old.
Always the same lowlives starting trouble !
The forum is about opinions on t,s , not their owners . And it should be for T owners only !
This was on his Ebay listing. Wow, just wow....."Feb-13-18 at 15:36:23 PST, seller added the following information:
Auction ends tonight at 10:00 PM EST Tonight. EVERYONE has had PLENTY of time. This is nothing but an aggravation for me. Now all on the MTFCA site know why it wasn't here sooner. I have a specific individual who is getting the car for $12,500.00, he deserves it, you don't. Don't bother bidding now, as the auction only exists now so everybody can read this."
This topic has been beaten to death. Can we let this die and move on??????
first off; everyone, including me, is looking for a highly restored vehicle for less than scrap price but Christmas usually comes in December. Second; Everyone ought to try selling something and get to meet all the buyers with no money, tire kickers, be backers, people who enjoy telling you what is wrong with your item, make an appointment to view the item and never show or call, it is not what they are looking for, it is too far away and someone who wants 14 views of the right door handle and never hear from them again. bottom line; if it is priced fairly it usually sells. Third; always remember there are more buyers than buyers with money.
A very angry personality!