Picked these body sections up at a farm sale several years ago and set together a chassis with a '21 engine,someone looked at it and said it was a '22 so the block sitting on the floor is 1922. Frame was trailerized,have VG radius rods,and other parts to go with it. Mostly VG sheetmetal,some rust in lower quarters,has rear window piece but missing panel below it. Turtle pieces may be older. No trans. $650.00 all picked up,dollys not included.
BTT. There are a couple Briscoes next to this one if anybody really wants a couple oddball orphans.
$550 before it goes to tbay.
Briscoes? As in Benjamin? I have only seen a few of those over the years. Any cyclops headlamp models? Or cyclecar models?
And no, I cannot be in the market to buy anything these days. But I am sure curious.
There is a 1918 and 1920,post cyclops era,both touring cars,all apart,one rebuilt engine,one rebuilt transaxle according to previous owner. They're the models that have the crown hubcaps,radiator caps and crankhole covers. Kind of neat in that respect. But they would need total resto including all wood and a few missing parts. $4500 all or trade.
If only you were closer I would buy it.
Tommy,We're on the busy corner of I-80 and I-25,100 miles north of Denver,where thousands of people come past every day,you don't know anyone coming this way with a trailer delivering something they sold or visiting relatives or something that could pick it up for you?
BTT I would consider delivering this a ways,particularly south towards Denver. Had a near miss on selling the old bldg. it's in and that still could happen putting the pressure on me to clear it out some. MTFCA member #49645
Road trip Tommy!!
WOULD YOU CONSIDER DELIVERING TO MOLINE,IL, WERE RIGHT ON INTERSTATE 80, JUST ACROSS RIVER FROM DAVENPORT, IA, WOULD PAY YOUR EXPENCES, CALL 1-563-468-1454
That possibility exists.
Steve, it sounds like I waited too long.
It's still available,no deals made yet but someone else may want something else I have near Moline so it could be knocking out two birds with one stone to go there.
Looks like this is not going to Moline so it is available to anyone at this point. It does have some good parts that people have been wanting to buy or borrow for patterns for years so even if you have one under restoration now,it could help to finish a car. Nothing is for sale separately.
Can anyone help with shipping to western NC?
Anyone coming east toward NC with empty trailer?
Would the whole pile fit in a box truck that I can rent? Wonder how much to rent a big enough truck?
Can someone show me a picture of the missing panel below the rear window please?
Is this the one?
The rear panel is on it's side behind the steering column
Anybody got a spare panel?
I have the panel shown above with the rear window hole,whatever goes below that,that the turtle goes against, is what I don't have.
I'm trying to figure out how to make it happen.
Tommy,Sent you a PM about possibly being able to deliver it to Davenport Iowa about 800 miles east of here,did you get that msg? That might be half way or better.
What's in Davenport, Iowa - besides me? If you do come to this area, you MUST see Craig Beek's all-brass Model T museum just across the Mississippi River from here in Illinois. It will be worth the trip alone for that! Let me know ahead of time and I'll arrange a private tour with Craig. The museum is NOT open to the public and hence does not have hours of operation. Visit by appointment in advance only.
Davenport Ia. to Hudson NC - 853 miles. I keep watching this thread hoping you fellers can connect ! Good luck !!
Marshall,Besides you in Davenport there is someone that is interested in a chopped '40 Chevy coupe body I have on ebay,I'm not a hotrodder,just happen to have this body. We're still negotiating and I'm not sure how it is going to come out. I've always envied those that had dads and granddads that were into old cars that had cars,knowledge,other good stuff passed down to them. I've had to sow my own garden and the hobby pay for itself. T and A parts have helped a lot. Maybe there'll be time to see that collection if things work out. Don't want to get too windy but have to tell a story on Dave Huson. I picked up some unidentified teens seat sections,fenders,etc,loaded it all in my Safari van and hauled it down to a HCCA club breakfast in Loveland Co a few years ago to see if any of the guys could ID any of it. After breakfast I had it scattered over two parking spaces for inspection and Dave went by in his center door. I never saw anyone lock up the rear wheels on a T like that but he wanted a look. Unfortunately no T parts so he jumped back in,door still open and sped out of there. Anyway some of the parts got ID'd,Peerless,Metz,Buick,it was kind of fun.
There is a dependable fellow from Scottsbluff Nebr that is hauling a Corvair from there to Missouri in early December. He says if he can get both on his trailer he would pick up the '22 and haul it to Model T haven at no charge. Tommy,if you're still interested do you need it door to door or are you able to travel some? Anybody else?
I could travel westward to as far as Knoxville TN. Sorry about the limitations.
This shows the panel below the rear window panel.
You guys are breaking my heart. I wish I had had that much to start with. [;0)
That panel should have a bead rolled along the bottom, does it? Perhaps I just can't see it.
Yes, it has a bead at the bottom.
I also have an extra right quarter panel available.
Tommy,Friend here is from Memphis,hoping he was headed that way soon with suburban and trailer to get the family piano or something but no luck. Have distant nephew in N.Carolina that transports but mostly just boats and motorcycles these days. He thinks he may have some ideas if you want to call him.PM me for the number if you want to talk with him.Don't recall the town.
Marshall-Who was the old guy in Davenport that restored speedometers? I met him at the Flying J one time while passing through and dropped off some NOS speedo parts he wanted.
Richard-Wouldn't it have been easier to build a duplex and rent it out than rewood one of these coupes from scratch?
Steve, Maybe a geodesic dome duplex. There aren't many straight surfaces on those pieces. I did give my muscles and tools a break. I used Pine rather than the Ash I usually use for these things.
His name was Norm Miller of Norm's Antique Auto Supply here in Davenport. I bought my first Model A parts from him in 1966 on the day I took possession of my first Model A. A tire went bad while enjoying it that day. A friend knew Norm had Model A parts, so he took me over to Norm's shop, where I bought a 19" wheel with a good tire for $15. That was the beginning of our friendship that lasted until Norm passed away a couple years ago. A two-day auction was held in Illinois to liquidate his collection of cars and millions of parts. His tarpaper shop (Oh, how I loved that place!) was torn down just about two years ago to put up a used car lot, which has since also died.
Just got off the phone,the coupe project is sold pending payment and going a ways North and a ways West. I want to thank everyone that contributed on this thread in writing and pictures. It has been enjoyable.
Marshall,That's right Norm Miller. He was working on a couple speedos from a friend in Denver when he passed. His daughter was trying to find the parts and return them but I think it was tough for her.
I have a funny old car in my garage that was built in Davenport, IA.
822 Warren St. was one of the many addresses used for the Company.
That may have been built by an old Model T legend around here until the early 1970's when he passed. Hermann Anderson and Norm Miller were the Model A and Model T gurus locally. I was at Hermann's garage once in the late '60's or early '70's during the winter, so my visit was necessarily brief. I couldn't recall later where that was, but I know it was in the lower west side of downtown. Warren fits that location.
I apologise for my quick post, I was boarding a plane. I also apologise for this un - model T related post.
I actually own a 1913 Zip made by the Zip Cyclecar Co. of 822 Warren St., Davenport, Iowa.
Todd,Don't apologize,submit a picture.
I'll see if the building is still standing this week and take a picture of it if it is. Judging by the 822 number, it'll be halfway up the steep hill going away from downtown Davenport, although that is a residential area these days. In 1918 they re-numbered the buildings to align them uniformly across town, so the number may have changed since 1913. Maybe in the library phone books there'll be a post-1918 address that is still valid today. It doesn't look like the company was open very long, just 1913 and 1914, if I am reading correctly. Finding spare parts for the "car" has got to be a b*tch! Here's an interesting link about your car: http://justamericanautomobiles.com/zip-light-car/
That would be really interesting. When I return home at the end of the week I'll send you all the different addresses I have That the Zip cyclecar co. used, there was 4 or 5. I have accumulated a bunch of history on the company, but always looking for more. Zip was only in business 13 months. Built in the neighborhood of 100 cars. Two survive that I know of, my early 2-cyl air cooled car and a late "1915" model, #88, with the 4-cyl water cooled engine, top and windshield that came from the Barney Pollard collection and purchased in the 70's by Stan Reynolds for his Collection. Still in the Alberta museum today, unrestored, Same condition as purchased from Barney.
The 22 T coupe project has left the bldg,Thanks MTFCA
Now that the weather has cleared, we drove over to Warren street to find the former Zip Cyclecar Company garage/manufacturing plant. As I expected, that 822 number is all residential and appears to have always been so, judging by the age of the homes. As I wrote, the numbering system was changed in 1918 in this town, so it's more likely the building was located closer to downtown in the business area. We drove down the hill, looking for likely former warehouse/manufacturing type of buildings. There were a couple such buildings down around 4th Street, but only houses and a few vacant lots and small parks in between there and 8th Street up the hill. I suspect that the Zip factory was a wooden barn-like structure, which were plentiful even in the downtown area until after WWII. It may have stood on one of the empty lots, as there are no barnlike wood structures left in that area. Unless the manufacturing plant had occupied one of those empty lots or small park areas, I think the mystery of its 1914-15 location will have to be solved by going to the Special Collections area of the library and looking through the phone books back to 1895 or city address directory maps to find the original site. Is there a photo of the building in any literature you have on this Cyclecar? Sometimes companies wanted to show off their facilities in advertising to underscore their solidity as a business.
There is a book about cars made in Iowa and as I recall from seeing it years ago, your Cyclecar is in there. Do you know this book? http://www.forgottenfiberglass.com/books-magazines-and-lit/iowas-automobiles-an- entertaining-and-enlightening-history-by-bill-jepsen/
Maybe there's some useful information in there for you. In the meantime, the next time we go to the library for research on our house, I'll make a point of checking out the old numbering system for this town and maybe be able to find the 1918 address equivalent of that 822 address from 1914-15.
I was combing through my Zip history when I saw your recent post. I have located 11 different addresses for the Zip cyclecar Co.
All are on W. Second St. or Warren St.
I have a factory letter head that shows address of "Second and Warren Streets".
Most all came from factory advertisements, either advertising the Zip or advertising for perspective "dealers". I will assume some are simply typo's, but you would think they would have made an effort to get the address correct.
Here is all the addresses I found:
Second and Warren Streets
822 Warren St.
821 Warren st.
100 Warren St.
The following of these addresses are all on West Second St.
817, 827, 865, 866, 867, 876, and 877 W. second St.
In late October of 1913, "Zip leased a two story building for a factory".
Then I found in a 1914 article: "Because of demand the Zip Factory recently has been enlarged and now occupies a large
Brick building with five stories of floor space.
After Zip went out of business in Nov. of 1914, H.A. Huebotter, engineer for the company, operated the service business for spare parts from 2110 Main St. address.
Thanks so much for taking the time to do some investigation.
Yes I have a copy of Bill Jepsen's book on Iowa Cars. The Chapter on the Zip was researched and mostly written by my friend, the late Don Paul of Musctine, IA. It was both Don and the late Chuck Hoagland of Moline that were gracious enough to share there research with me when I first purchased the Zip and they started me on a quest for more information about the company. Two of the original owners were both advertising men and knew the power of media so there is hardly a automobile trade publication from the latter part of 1913 thru 1914 that didn't mention the Zip. Of course claims of sales and production numbers were greatly exaggerated to try and boost sales. And, let's not forget that fellow named Ford that was working to beat the Zip's already low $395 price tag who also built that one-off Ford model-T "cyclecar" to scare off would be competition.