I'm listing this for a friend, the car is located just outside of Portland, OR.
The engine is complete, the block and head was cast a number of years ago by McTavish of Canada. The machining of the block and head is also by McTavish. The one piece pan is original, The steel trans cover was made from an oil pan and is an excellent job with great attention to detail. The correct style water pump radiator is new reproduction. The body is by Ray Wells, painted Carmine red and was matched off original paint samples. The leather upholstery is very nice. The frame is an original 1909-10 with early fish plates added and riveted as original. One piece front end and steering column are original. The rear axle is the correct no rivet nicely converted from a 6 rivet. The correct style long drive shaft is by the late Ernie Brown. A full set of new fenders are included. There is no hood, splash aprons or running boards. A full set of lamps is included, New 466 E and J headlights, original 3 tier E and J sidelights and tail light. This is a very complete car done by a very talented craftsman, representing years of work. Take a look through the pictures and email me with questions. $70,000.00 kdmks AT att.net. The brass steering columns laying on the frame and parts and tools in the background are not included.
Kim, is Wayland selling his whole collection?
No, I think he would sell some of the projects, model C Ford and model F, but the whole collection is not for sale. Kim
Interesting "adapter" made for the head bolt holes for the KRW engine stand !
I'm with you, Steve. That's what caught my eye as well!
Mr. Kim Dobbins - for those who may not know - is the foremost living expert on the 1909 Model T.
( in my humble opinion )
This is absolutely fascinating. I hope I am not overstepping the boundaries of politeness, but who is this man who has created all this? My hat is off to him. Cheers, Bill
Bill, his name is Waylon Henry, Dundee, OR. Certainly one of the most talented men I've ever met.
That motor sure looks nice.
I am confused by the coil box. The Encyclopedia indicates the coil box with terminals on the bottom was never used in production.
Part # Factory # Description
N1520 ----- Heinze. Pre-production 1909 with terminals on the bottom of the box. This was the same box that was used on the later Model S Fords. Part number is an N-R-S number. This box was discontinued before car number 1.
1909 to early 1911
4200 ----- Kingston. Used 4215 coils. Rear terminals.
4250 ----- Jacobson-Brandow. Used 4256 coils.
Note: Ford parts books show the name as Jacobson-Brandon
but the actual name was Jacobson-Brando
When I saw s/n 220, it has the box with terminals on the bottom and now this one has the same arrangement.
Maybe Bruce (RIP) was wrong or maybe the restorers of these vehicles just prefer the earlier arrangement without regard to what is correct.
Does anyone know of any definitive documentation?
Tony, I think you are correct, the box pictured was probably not used on the early 1909 cars. Part of the problem is that the production records are missing for cars number 2 to 1119. So there is really no way to say exactly what carb, coil box and other components were used on those cars. The reason the early box with the insulators out the bottom is offered with the car is probably because that's what #220 has on it.
A correct early exhaust manifold and Kingston 5 ball carb are also offered with this project. I'll try to get pictures of those tomorrow.
As I recall car #90 has the same coil box.
Hi Kim: That's what 220 HAD on it (wink wink!) Dunno about 90.
Kim: # 131 also has same coil box, Manny
Sandy McTavish of Canada also passed away a couple of years ago. Another great lose to the hobby.
So, I will ask the question. What S/N is it going to be?
# 425 also has the same coil box
Is that oil filler tube in the top photo the same as the NRS ones?
I see on this block that there is a serial number spot near the front of the engine. When was the serial number moved to that spot from in between the ports on the top of the engine?
Herb, the NRS breather tube is different. As far as the serial number location, I think around 500 but I'll look in to it and try to varify that.
The 2 lever Model T in the California Auto Museum has that same coil box also. It's interesting they call it a 1908.
The serial number is 743, or close to that. Is it a 1908 or 1909?
Michael, I think #307 was the last car assembled in 1908. Kim
Very beautiful job already done by this man.
Mine is not at this step of restoration..
Good luck for the next owner!
That makes it an 09 based on the body serial number plate. I shouldn't jump to conclusions, the engine number could be something lower. I didn't look under the hood.
Just by blowing up the photo of the engine my initial guess on the engine serial number is 1122.
Wouldn't that be too late for a water pump engine?
The encyclopedia says the cutoff was around engine 2500.
It would be too late for two lever Model T. The cut off on them is around 800. This T has many reproduction parts,.but out side of two or three two lever Model Ts, most have repo parts. Ford Co. sold parts in 1909 to make a two lever Ford into a one lever Model T. Several have now have been converted back to a two lever Model T. Probably my last posting for several weeks. My by pass is tomorrow.
OT.Good luck with your bypass Mr. Leipold. Me and my family, and I'm sure most members, shall say a prayer for a successful surgery and a speedy recovery.