But this one looks real. Check It out.
PS, I have no interest in this car ether selling it or buying it. It just looks beautiful!
I'll never have one like that, but I sure like looking at them.
I want a brass car. Don't think I can sell enough body fluids to make it work.
It's a beautiful thing.
My, my... A real beauty!
Must be sold already! Listing has ended.
Mike..yes, it was sold. Sure wish I had that kind of money to get one! Sigh.
Wow -- What a car! I wonder who bought it. Is there a rich buy lurking amongst us po' boys here on the forum?
It's a beauty, all right!
I have the right kind of money, just not enough of it.
Oops, "rich guy," not "rich buy."
But guys, it had to go quick...
wide track '09...
July 6 of '09 so a real '09 but barely...
took an AACA first and was then apparently parked and locked...so an oil job and a coat of paint and a set of tires gets you a first junior next time out or a darned good shot at it...
You guys didn't even get a chance to pick it apart I'm not trying to be a jerk...but would have been fun for real '09 owners to have a have at it since I don't have a c-l-u-e.
Something about that phone number rings a bell. I'm overseas but think the seller is our old friend Manny of 2 lever #131 fame from Hershey '09! How does he come up with these things time and again? Sure makes me jealous..... I would like to have seen a feature article about 131 somewhere.
Nice car. Someone got a deal, a really good deal.
Did it sell?
Is that a 1910 rear end?
Here is the same car in an old post.
I see an '09 Touring in that thread, but not a Tourabout.
My mistake,I meant same owner.
That 09 Tourabout is back on Ebay
What? Do you live on line?
I am not a big fan of the tourabout body, but I think I could learn to love it. If it is as right as he says, it should be well worth the $48K buy-it-now.
I wish I had enough money to consider it.
Now I am going to go back and look at the pictures a little closer before going back out to try to fix my tire.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
Sorry - I know it's a Model T, but those early ones do NOTHING for me.
Looks like the antique cars you drive around the track at an amusement park.
"Looks like the antique cars you drive around the track at an amusement park."
I LOVE those! Always my favorite.
Must have been some buyers remorse, re listed at the same price with no explanation.
Its only just back up again, 6 days to go.
wow what happened there then
I love the early cars!! You get it all- great looks and essentially the same mechanicals and reliability of the later cars -A brass T is an incredibly usable veteran ! Karl
It was such a good deal I couldn't pass it up...... ;-)
The car truly is a 1909, however, it was not originally a tourabout or a wide track.
Does anyone know this car??
Just my observations, the car appears to be missing two of the rare early and unique items which set them apart from later models. The 2 piece brass timer must be missing as it fitted with a later timer cover. Although the add states it has a brass Kingston carby, it is not the correct 5 ball style. Very nice car though. Perhaps the owner has the original parts that go with the car but has just replaced them to make it a little more reliable. This is common practice on the early ones. It would pay to ask if you were considering buying as these parts are hard to find and expensive to buy.
If not originally a Tourabout, what was this chassis originally? Early Widetracks had wider bodies, whereas later Ford widened the fenders, splash aprons etc. If this is the case, then fair to question whether this is a Ford OEM body. Wasn't the angled horn inlet a late 1910 feature? If all is as it seems...a nice built up car for certain, ...I'm sure it would cost the asking price to duplicate it.
According to Ford shipping documents, the car (#6361) was a green standard track roadster with a wood Troy windshield and it was shipped to Boston on July 7, 1909.
I would be interested to learn others thoughts with respect to the engine number stamping on the block, and the data tag and the number stamped on the data tag attached to the panel under the front seat.
Thanks Barry...good research. I assume this is in fact a wider Widetrack body and that this top is also made wider for this reason.
The 6 rivet rearend is undoubtedly a valuable piece, but Bruce's Black Book says it would not have appeared as of the date of this motor serial#...still like to have it.
It's a standard 1910 type body with standard width top. I think 1909 was the only year that a wide track used a unique wider body. The tourabout is a 1910 body style.
None of that detracts from the car's appeal to me.
In one photo, from the front, it would appear that the fenders may not be wide-track fenders. The wheels appear to be out at the outer edge of the fenders. Still a neat car! I could probably be talked into trading every model T I have for it. Maybe the gasoline carriage also.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
I have seen this car in person at Hershey and it is local to me. It is a very pretty and Manny represents his cars well. For whatever reason maybe the previous buyer's eyes were bigger than his wallet.
I would like to follow-up on Tim Kelly's post on thoughts in respect to the engine number and data tag. At some point in my life, my goal would be to have a early T like a 1909 / 10 and I would like to learn more about this car serial number, body styles so I can be more educated.
If it requires another topic, please feel free to start one.
I'll bite.. It certainly looks like there could have been a number before the "6" in the engine number.. If the shipping documents for say #16361 shows a wide track tourabout the data would fit better. These cars have been collectors items for a long time now & it has always been preferred to have one from the first model year so if this is an attempt at predating this car it could very likely have been made by some earlier owner. Still a very desireable car
Last February when I listed the 1909 Ford Model T tourabout #6361 on Ebay it created quite some discussion on the forum. I would like to clarify and update some comments. When I bought this car my gut feeling was it was an authentic car not one built from parts with a new body like so many "authentic" early T's out there today. Along the way someone informed me that the Ford archives list #6361 as a roadster sold in Boston. So I thought maybe I was half right, someone added and original back seat! But what about the southern thread?? I had to check further. I had always noticed that it looked like someone had ground something on the engine serial number but I always thought maybe a worker at the factory had made a mistake. Then I read the comment from Roger Karlsson from Sweden basically saying that it looked like there had been a number in front of the 6 say 16361 and removed the 1 so that they could predate the car. I contacted the Ford Research Center and had them look up #16361. According to the Ford shipping department # 16361 was indeed a tourabout equipped with a 60" (southern) thread. It was shipped to F.M. Co in Houston Texas on Feb 26, 1910. So over 50 years ago someone removed the 1 so that he could register it as a 1909. The irony is that when the tourabout was introduced in June 1909, Ford called them a 1910 model. So what I have is a 1910 model that someone tried to make into a 1909. The question I now have is how many documented authentic southern track tourabouts are out there?
Hey Manny would you sell your two petal two lever, you and I have a common friend who would want it
Manny: If the car is really number 16361 and the engine number was altered to read 6361, how did the car end up with body number 6361? The body number tag on the car shows no signs of alteration.
Also, I am still waiting for the remainder of my deposit you own me.
Great to find the original shipping documents for your car
Barry - Darel Leipold from Minnesota made very nice repro patent plates in the 50's and he has owned a 1910 Touring since 1946, maybe he made body number tags too?
I just clicked on the ebay link to it and it now says "sold".
That shows where the auction ended Feb. 25th
Yes, I made 1909-11 Body tags. I still have some.
I also made the NRS and early T tags.
I checked out the photos. I am sure that is one of the 09-11 tags that I made and sold way back then.
here is a photo of my reproduction on the lower left and an original on the right. The upper two are the reproductions of the early 1909 plate and the 1912 plate.
Thanks, Darel. You did good work, and now I know an original from a reproduction.
The car did not sell on Ebay. I contacted the owner and he agreed to deliver the car to me, so I bought it! It's my first T. Hand cranking is not fun as I cannot get it started without towing it. I have removed the carburetor and now need a float bowl gasket. Any ideas who sells them? It may be a Kingston but there are no markings on it. I also need the transmission washers which lock the adjusting nuts into place. Thanks.
Here is the special washer for the reverse and brake band adjustment: https://www.modeltford.com/item/3415.aspx
You can call Lang's and ask about carb gaskets, but it's likely you'll have to cut them yourself from gasket stock.
I find it easy to crank start a T - even with a high compression head, so I suppose something needs to be adjusted on your car. One easy thing to try is to advance the spark a few clicks only a few!) when starting on mag. Another easy thing to try is to open up the main jet carb adjustment a little when the engine is cold. As soon as it's running and getting a bit warm, you can fine tune the adjustment back in.
The timer is a classic cause for ignition trouble on a T- the low tension distributor down in the front of the engine needs frequent maintenance like cleaning and oiling for flawless service.
Most likely the car needs to be driven more and will run better and better with use (just keep it well oiled and greased)
Rod, don't be discouraged about the starting. I have 6 T's without starters and can easily crank them all and I ain't young!
It takes some time to get them set up right and they are all a bit different so you have to figure out what works best for your car. Some of mine require pulling through with the switch off and full choke several times and then they will start on the first pull with the switch on. One of mine requires no choke but needs the mixture knob opened a half turn before starting. Do you have a battery or are you trying to start on magneto? Only one of mine will start on mag