There is another 1909 for sale on Ebay

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: There is another 1909 for sale on Ebay
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Thum on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 04:54 pm:

But this one looks real. Check It out.

PS, I have no interest in this car ether selling it or buying it. It just looks beautiful!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Model-T-Tourabout-1909-ford-model-t-tourabout-/1412 03424660?forcerrptr=true&hash=item20e0614594&item=141203424660&pt=US_Cars_Trucks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 04:59 pm:

I'll never have one like that, but I sure like looking at them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael R Beary on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 05:17 pm:

Very nice!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 05:20 pm:

I want a brass car. Don't think I can sell enough body fluids to make it work.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 05:21 pm:

It's a beautiful thing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Taylor on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 05:56 pm:

My, my... A real beauty!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Vaughn on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 06:07 pm:

Must be sold already! Listing has ended.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 07:27 pm:

Mike..yes, it was sold. Sure wish I had that kind of money to get one! Sigh.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 08:58 pm:

Wow -- What a car! I wonder who bought it. Is there a rich buy lurking amongst us po' boys here on the forum? :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino in Modesto, CA on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 09:10 pm:

It's a beauty, all right!

Tim,
I have the right kind of money, just not enough of it. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 09:26 pm:

Oops, "rich guy," not "rich buy." :-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 09:58 pm:

But guys, it had to go quick...

wide track '09...

July 6 of '09 so a real '09 but barely...

took an AACA first and was then apparently parked and locked...so an oil job and a coat of paint and a set of tires gets you a first junior next time out or a darned good shot at it...

You guys didn't even get a chance to pick it apart :-) I'm not trying to be a jerk...but would have been fun for real '09 owners to have a have at it since I don't have a c-l-u-e.

Something about that phone number rings a bell. I'm overseas but think the seller is our old friend Manny of 2 lever #131 fame from Hershey '09! How does he come up with these things time and again? Sure makes me jealous.....:-( I would like to have seen a feature article about 131 somewhere.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 07:50 am:

Nice car. Someone got a deal, a really good deal.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robbie Price on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 07:56 am:

Did it sell?
Is that a 1910 rear end?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 08:05 am:

Here is the same car in an old post.


http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/110921.html?1255995489


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 10:35 am:

I see an '09 Touring in that thread, but not a Tourabout.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 11:38 am:

My mistake,I meant same owner.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Thum on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 04:38 pm:

That 09 Tourabout is back on Ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Model-T-Tourabout-1909-ford-model-t-tourabout-/1412 04509999?forcerrptr=true&hash=item20e071d52f&item=141204509999&pt=US_Cars_Trucks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 07:10 pm:

What? Do you live on line?
I am not a big fan of the tourabout body, but I think I could learn to love it. If it is as right as he says, it should be well worth the $48K buy-it-now.
I wish I had enough money to consider it.
Now I am going to go back and look at the pictures a little closer before going back out to try to fix my tire.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan B on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 07:16 pm:

Sorry - I know it's a Model T, but those early ones do NOTHING for me.

Looks like the antique cars you drive around the track at an amusement park.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 07:20 pm:

Dan,

"Looks like the antique cars you drive around the track at an amusement park."

I LOVE those! Always my favorite.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 01:44 am:

Must have been some buyers remorse, re listed at the same price with no explanation.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dare - Just a little South West . on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 01:59 am:

Its only just back up again, 6 days to go.
wow what happened there then
David


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Karl Gilchrist on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 03:31 am:

Dan,

I love the early cars!! You get it all- great looks and essentially the same mechanicals and reliability of the later cars -A brass T is an incredibly usable veteran ! Karl


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve McClelland on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 02:29 pm:

It was such a good deal I couldn't pass it up...... ;-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Barry Fowler - Eagle River, Alaska on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 02:54 pm:

The car truly is a 1909, however, it was not originally a tourabout or a wide track.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Wolf on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 02:57 pm:

Does anyone know this car??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warwick Landy on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 03:12 pm:

Just my observations, the car appears to be missing two of the rare early and unique items which set them apart from later models. The 2 piece brass timer must be missing as it fitted with a later timer cover. Although the add states it has a brass Kingston carby, it is not the correct 5 ball style. Very nice car though. Perhaps the owner has the original parts that go with the car but has just replaced them to make it a little more reliable. This is common practice on the early ones. It would pay to ask if you were considering buying as these parts are hard to find and expensive to buy.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By william louis rosenthal on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 03:50 pm:

If not originally a Tourabout, what was this chassis originally? Early Widetracks had wider bodies, whereas later Ford widened the fenders, splash aprons etc. If this is the case, then fair to question whether this is a Ford OEM body. Wasn't the angled horn inlet a late 1910 feature? If all is as it seems...a nice built up car for certain, ...I'm sure it would cost the asking price to duplicate it.
Regards,
Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Barry Fowler - Eagle River, Alaska on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 04:24 pm:

According to Ford shipping documents, the car (#6361) was a green standard track roadster with a wood Troy windshield and it was shipped to Boston on July 7, 1909.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Timothy Kelly on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 04:42 pm:

I would be interested to learn others thoughts with respect to the engine number stamping on the block, and the data tag and the number stamped on the data tag attached to the panel under the front seat.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By william louis rosenthal on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 05:10 pm:

Thanks Barry...good research. I assume this is in fact a wider Widetrack body and that this top is also made wider for this reason.
Regards,
Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By william louis rosenthal on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 05:26 pm:

The 6 rivet rearend is undoubtedly a valuable piece, but Bruce's Black Book says it would not have appeared as of the date of this motor serial#...still like to have it.
Regards,
Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 07:23 pm:

It's a standard 1910 type body with standard width top. I think 1909 was the only year that a wide track used a unique wider body. The tourabout is a 1910 body style.

None of that detracts from the car's appeal to me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 11:43 pm:

In one photo, from the front, it would appear that the fenders may not be wide-track fenders. The wheels appear to be out at the outer edge of the fenders. Still a neat car! I could probably be talked into trading every model T I have for it. Maybe the gasoline carriage also.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Memmelaar Jr on Friday, February 28, 2014 - 09:05 am:

I have seen this car in person at Hershey and it is local to me. It is a very pretty and Manny represents his cars well. For whatever reason maybe the previous buyer's eyes were bigger than his wallet.

I would like to follow-up on Tim Kelly's post on thoughts in respect to the engine number and data tag. At some point in my life, my goal would be to have a early T like a 1909 / 10 and I would like to learn more about this car serial number, body styles so I can be more educated.

If it requires another topic, please feel free to start one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Friday, February 28, 2014 - 10:08 am:

I'll bite.. It certainly looks like there could have been a number before the "6" in the engine number.. If the shipping documents for say #16361 shows a wide track tourabout the data would fit better. These cars have been collectors items for a long time now & it has always been preferred to have one from the first model year so if this is an attempt at predating this car it could very likely have been made by some earlier owner. Still a very desireable car :-)
open engine number


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By MNToys on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 05:43 pm:

Last February when I listed the 1909 Ford Model T tourabout #6361 on Ebay it created quite some discussion on the forum. I would like to clarify and update some comments. When I bought this car my gut feeling was it was an authentic car not one built from parts with a new body like so many "authentic" early T's out there today. Along the way someone informed me that the Ford archives list #6361 as a roadster sold in Boston. So I thought maybe I was half right, someone added and original back seat! But what about the southern thread?? I had to check further. I had always noticed that it looked like someone had ground something on the engine serial number but I always thought maybe a worker at the factory had made a mistake. Then I read the comment from Roger Karlsson from Sweden basically saying that it looked like there had been a number in front of the 6 say 16361 and removed the 1 so that they could predate the car. I contacted the Ford Research Center and had them look up #16361. According to the Ford shipping department # 16361 was indeed a tourabout equipped with a 60" (southern) thread. It was shipped to F.M. Co in Houston Texas on Feb 26, 1910. So over 50 years ago someone removed the 1 so that he could register it as a 1909. The irony is that when the tourabout was introduced in June 1909, Ford called them a 1910 model. So what I have is a 1910 model that someone tried to make into a 1909. The question I now have is how many documented authentic southern track tourabouts are out there?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Spencer Vibert on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 06:50 pm:

Hey Manny would you sell your two petal two lever, you and I have a common friend who would want it


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Barry Fowler - Eagle River, Alaska on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 07:19 pm:

Manny: If the car is really number 16361 and the engine number was altered to read 6361, how did the car end up with body number 6361? The body number tag on the car shows no signs of alteration.
Also, I am still waiting for the remainder of my deposit you own me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 08:56 am:

Great to find the original shipping documents for your car :-)

Barry - Darel Leipold from Minnesota made very nice repro patent plates in the 50's and he has owned a 1910 Touring since 1946, maybe he made body number tags too?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 09:35 am:

I just clicked on the ebay link to it and it now says "sold".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Wolf on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 09:39 am:

That shows where the auction ended Feb. 25th


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 02:51 pm:

Yes, I made 1909-11 Body tags. I still have some.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 02:52 pm:

I also made the NRS and early T tags.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 02:54 pm:

I checked out the photos. I am sure that is one of the 09-11 tags that I made and sold way back then.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 04:34 pm:

here is a photo of my reproduction on the lower left and an original on the right. The upper two are the reproductions of the early 1909 plate and the 1912 plate.

plates


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Barry Fowler - Eagle River, Alaska on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 05:26 pm:

Thanks, Darel. You did good work, and now I know an original from a reproduction.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rod Barrett on Wednesday, October 08, 2014 - 08:45 pm:

The car did not sell on Ebay. I contacted the owner and he agreed to deliver the car to me, so I bought it! It's my first T. Hand cranking is not fun as I cannot get it started without towing it. I have removed the carburetor and now need a float bowl gasket. Any ideas who sells them? It may be a Kingston but there are no markings on it. I also need the transmission washers which lock the adjusting nuts into place. Thanks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Wednesday, October 08, 2014 - 09:20 pm:

Congratulations :-)
Here is the special washer for the reverse and brake band adjustment: https://www.modeltford.com/item/3415.aspx

You can call Lang's and ask about carb gaskets, but it's likely you'll have to cut them yourself from gasket stock.

I find it easy to crank start a T - even with a high compression head, so I suppose something needs to be adjusted on your car. One easy thing to try is to advance the spark a few clicks only a few!) when starting on mag. Another easy thing to try is to open up the main jet carb adjustment a little when the engine is cold. As soon as it's running and getting a bit warm, you can fine tune the adjustment back in.

The timer is a classic cause for ignition trouble on a T- the low tension distributor down in the front of the engine needs frequent maintenance like cleaning and oiling for flawless service.

Most likely the car needs to be driven more and will run better and better with use (just keep it well oiled and greased) :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Val Soupios on Saturday, October 11, 2014 - 08:28 pm:

Rod, don't be discouraged about the starting. I have 6 T's without starters and can easily crank them all and I ain't young!
It takes some time to get them set up right and they are all a bit different so you have to figure out what works best for your car. Some of mine require pulling through with the switch off and full choke several times and then they will start on the first pull with the switch on. One of mine requires no choke but needs the mixture knob opened a half turn before starting. Do you have a battery or are you trying to start on magneto? Only one of mine will start on mag


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