The 1926 Ford Model T Runabout that I have been working on might not be a Runabout. According to some of the family members of the original owner, the Model T started off as a pickup. The owner and his brother went to the junk yard and bought the runabout backend.
So, my question to you guys: How can I prove this story correct? Any ideas?
I know there's a difference between the pickup body and the roadster body. If you don't find it with a Google search, I expect somebody who know the details will explain it here.
According to the Howell's sheet metal site, the back of the cab sheet metal is different as follows:
Here is the older thread that pointed me to the Howell's website:
Great!! Thanks for the info!!
Hey Steve, just FYI: I graduated HS from Anthony and I still remember marching in parades at Ark City (and doing some girl chasing haha).
See this thread also: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/87887.html?1240520652
Rear panels without embossings are very rare and may have been built very early in 1926 production. Most roadster pickups would likely have had the embossings, so the difference is more in the ending of the quarter panels as can be seen in the thread Mark linked.
The pickup originally had longer rear 1/4 panel extensions.
Some say that the panel behind the seat is embossed on the roadster and flat on a pickup.
Andrew, did you pickup your T from a vet in Anthony? J
Jerome, I'm currently living in Lubbock, TX. I have not lived in Anthony for over 20 years, but still have many classmates that stuck around. How things in Ft. Hays?
Andrew, if the Runabout was factory made, these bodies didn't have the captive nuts on the rear bucket upright to secure a runabout turtle deck.
Note the bolt holes on the rear upright for the turtle deck, a 'true' factory pickup does not have these fasteners.
No fastener holes in this body. Pickup style factory.
Here is backside of turtle deck showing the hole for fastening up to the body upright.
Okay, now we are getting somewhere. When I can get to a computer, now on iPad, I will post some pics that I think will solve the mystery.
Thanks to everyone that has posted!! You guys are great!!
Okay, now that I'm on a computer and degrade my photos, here what I have. Photo one shows the hole (Red number 1 on the phone) that Dan is talking about. It is on the deck, but no hole lines up on the body. The second photo is same side where you can see number 1 hole is midway and number 2, where it is connected to the body.
So, conclusion, I believe this was an early pickup. The engine date shows to be Nov/Dec 1925 (I can remember and my notes are at the museum).
Take a look at the photo below. There are no holes for the attachment of a turtle deck. Based on the photo and the opinions in this thread, am I safe to call the truck a Runabout?
Again, read the thread I linked above: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/87887.html?1240520652
In that thread Arnie shows pictures of his early improved runabout without holes in the turtle deck and without threaded holes in the rear of the body, so there are no theories about the differences between runabouts and pick up versions that holds water just yet..
If you look closely and your photo it looks like there are plugs or bolts in the upper holes about 3" down on each side. That would make it a runabout car that was converted to a pickup or Ford did that originally.
A runabout is a runabout whether it has a pickup bed on it or not. If it has a turtle deck it is a runabout, if it's a pickup it's a runabout with a pickup box.
This is interesting to me. I have a "true factory" 1927 pickup. It has the bolt holes:
Maybe your pickup was made out of what ever parts were left at that late date in T production. Based on the holes and the short extension on the 1/4 panels they should have been on a roadster car. Do the holes have threaded brackets inside the body?
Jim, in my experience the longer 1/4 extensions were found on the 26 bodies that also included the bump under the forward edge of the door and also had the aluminum sill plate under the door. The later body without the bump and steel sill that wrapped under the body had the short 1/4 extension with a rolled bead at the end.
Jim, the holes have threaded nuts inside.
I also have a factory Canadian pickup. It has the bolt holes and the embossed rear panel. What it does not have is the trunk floor panel which makes sense to me. The pickups also had the tail light mounted to the box and not the rear fender, so no holes for the tail light in the rear fender.