Were the Corcoran lamps used on the 1914 Model T? If not, what would be the proper head/side/tail lamp manufacturer? Are the Corcoran more desirable?
Corcoran lamps were the least common lamp in 1914. I don't think they are any more or less desirable than any other brand. Victor, E&J and Brown were used, typically in sets of five with matching carbide generator.
The Brown lamps are the most complex, thus harder to restore.
Thanks, Royce. I wasn't sure on which lamps to use - I put a deposit down on a nice '14 Touring and it comes with a complete set of both Corcoran and Brown lamps.
I would use the best set and sell the rest.
I have Corcoran lamps on my '14 speedster. I like the black and brass. They are one of the few things still original to the car AFAIK.
Concur with Royce on Corcorans being used the least on '14 Fords. I have a lot of '13-'14 cowl lamps and only one Corcoran. Even have a real nice pair of Brown cowl lamps with steel chimney tops and brass fount tops. Anyone need a NOS pair of '13 Victor #1 cowl lamps and a restored Victor #1 tail lamp? I've never seen a 100% original 1914 Model T and I've often wondered if they really endeavored to match all 5 lamps with the carbide generator in the day.
According to Bruce McCalley, they didn't always take the time (or have the time) on the assembly line to match head lamps with cowl lamps or carbide tanks. It makes sense, especially if one of the items were already assembled on the car when it came to the next assembly area. Whose gonna have the time to run to the front of the car, check which lamps were put on, then go back to the cowl lamp box/pile and find the correct, matching lamps? I don't think Henry would have been too happy with that kind of efficiency.
George, based on what you say would you use the Corcoran lamps?
Sure I'd use 'em. I think most of us nowadays like to have all 5 matching and, even though the Jno. Browns are larger, the Corcorans are equally as pleasing and, due to their rarity, would give you an additional "hey, look at me" quotient. Indeed, if you have a choice of cowl lamps you're fortunate. At best its a matter of personal preference. I'm drawn to the front beveled lens so E&J is to my liking.
One time, several years ago, a self-proclaimed 'expert' told me those steel chimney top Jno Brown cowl lamps were for the TTs. I just smiled, shook my head and walked away.
Bill, you've seen my 14 and know that its is a very original car. My side and tail lamps are Corcoran and I believe they are original to the car. The headlamps are E and J but, curiously,have no number stamped on them. Where the number is usually stamped, it's blank.
Marty - just curious but who made the carbide tank?
My '14 has Brown side and tail lamps and E&J headlamps with a matching generator. My other '14 has Victor lamps all around with an E&J generator. God only knows if that's the way they came from the factory. I think just about anything goes in '14 so I would use whatever suited me best!
For my .02 i think Royce is right about set's of 5 lamps.This has been around before and 100 years later did Ford mismatch the T-100's? Bud in Wheeler.
Bill, I think it's an E and J generator.
Was Corcoran head lamps ever used on 13 T's? The first post talked about their use in 14. Is there any data that backs up when they were first used in model T production? I have all brass...12 style head lamps on our early 13 touring. Our 13 has the 12 style frame and muffler. It has a different tail lamp bracket compared to later 13's. Our car was never a frame off restoration and had the original leather upholstery until replaced a few years ago. The restoration in the early 50's was to paint lacquer over the original paint. The lacquer is pealing and I call it Patina. The frame was never cleaned or re-painted. All original body. Talked to the previous owner who bought it where it was stored in a garage in North Park San Diego around 1950. He said the brass head lamps were on the car at that time and are still there.