You can purchase the front outer bearings from a number of vendors, but they do not have the insert. Can the insert be removed from an old bearing and reused in a new bearing?
What insert? If you're talking about the threaded inner race, no it can't be removed without destroying the bearing.
This is the standard Timken bearing. It comes as a single complete unit. The other side is 09076. The best price I've found for them was at Rock Auto.
I believe the insert Dave is thinking of is one where the RH Threads has been replaced with a LH threaded insert. This i9s probably pressed in and Loctited to prevent it from coming apart.
I bet it might be possible to remove one with some heat and a press?
Dave, I'm not sure exactly what you mean. If you are referring to the Timken right and left hand bearings that don't have an insert listed, they don't need one. The inner race(cone) is already threaded. Dave
Lang's offers a pair of front wheel outer bearings with threaded inserts: http://www.modeltford.com/item/2837-38R.aspx
The reason to use them instead of the original Timkens would be the lower price, $44.50 a pair instead of $145.90 a pair for the Timkens: http://www.modeltford.com/item/2837.aspx http://www.modeltford.com/item/2838.aspx
I haven't had any reason to try pressing out the inserts, guess they are fitted with interference fit in combination with some loctite as Gene writes, the interference fit would explain the tight fit of the threads on the spindles making them hard to install and adjust.
If I see a picture of the bearing on a non Model T site, it shows it without the threaded insert. Maybe 09075 and 09076 always come with the threaded insert and they just used a picture of a standard bearing.
I tried the cheaper set that Langs has. What a pain to tighten up. I think you need a special tool for those. I am willing to spend the extra just to be able to tighten them easily.
I know the original Timkens might be made outside the US, but if not, I would rather support an American worker than a Chinese. I might pay more, but it could be the guy down the street who is my neighbor that needs that job at Timken to support his family.
Steve, the bearing you showed from Rock Auto. Is this the same thing they are selling at the parts houses? I went to Rock Auto's website and the picture looks different but that could be a generic picture shown there. If I were to use the two part numbers 09075 and 09076 Are these the same bearings as the originals?
It's your neighbor, but he's not just down the street. Look carefully at the bearing above, and you'll see where it was made.
Adam, yes, it's the same bearing all the dealers sell. In fact, I'm not sure whether the one in the picture is from Rock or Lang's.
These are the part numbers:
Model T Ford Front Wheel Bearings
Item.................................Ford #........Timken #
Outer bearing, Left.........2837............09075
Outer bearing, Right.......2838............09076
Dave H. -- The similar bearings without the threaded race were used on Model A's through '48 Fords. I've seen them used on Model T's I took apart. They will fit onto a T spindle, but they will be running on the spindle's threads, so there's not much contact area. I haven't used the ones with inserts, so I can't comment on those.
Great Info Thanks Steve
I would rather my neighbor be in Canada than Asia.
Thank you for the info
I know I've mentioned it here before, but for anyone on a budget, I can probably save you money on your bearings. For the forum guys here, I would gladly sell them for my cost plus actual shipping charges.
That applies to the Chinese or North American bearings. Some Chinese bearings have gotten better but if you need to buy Asian bearings it's still better to stick with Japanese (best) or Korean (distant second best).
I won't publicly post pricing. If you're interested, drop me a line
Rockauto has both R and L Frt Brng Cones for $48.81. each.
I bought these Timkens and replaced all my front wheel bearings and cups.
Just didn't trust the insert thing for a few less $$.
I don't know if that was better than Dan can offer but the shipping was free. I'd be interested to know for next order?
If you Google "Rockauto coupon code", you will usually find one for at least a 5% discount on your order.