Is this a real 1915?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Friday, April 18, 2014 - 05:10 pm:

http://oregoncoast.craigslist.org/cto/4429057935.html

This isn't too far from me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kerry van Ekeren (Australia) on Friday, April 18, 2014 - 05:20 pm:

At that price it would be in my shed!! but too far, lots of things messed with but looks good.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Friday, April 18, 2014 - 05:49 pm:

Ford truck carburetor, check. Toyota distributor, check. Clown-red badly done interior, check. What is there not to like? Check to see if the firewall sheet metal behind the coil box has no cut out to see if it is real.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Friday, April 18, 2014 - 05:52 pm:

Something is wrong with the hood? It is too short and somebody added a piece of flat steel to the radiator hood rest to make up the gap?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Friday, April 18, 2014 - 05:54 pm:

Dude, nothing says FUN and neighborhood driving hi-jinks like a clown-red interior!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Friday, April 18, 2014 - 05:55 pm:

And there is a Ruckstell in it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Friday, April 18, 2014 - 06:03 pm:

Danial -- If you're concerned about having a "correct" '15, look elsewhere. (Ask steve Jelf for advice here. :-) ) But if you just want a fun T to drive, this could be it.

The way things are cobbled together, I think it's safe to assume the car will need a LOT of work. (Translation: $$$$)

But where else can you get a fairly good start on a '15 for under $8K?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Friday, April 18, 2014 - 06:03 pm:

ide lamps are pointed in -- something is not stock there. It does not have the standard windshield hinge which for a 1915-mid 1917 would be an equal length hinge. If it has an accessory windshield assembly - that would be a plus. But from the photo I cannot tell if it is a home made or an accessory part holding the windshield. At this point I would guess homemade -- but when you look at it or at much better photos you should be able to tell.

The engine is a non-generator block - so there is a possibility it is an actual 1915 block. I would guess it is not since they did not give the engine number. But perhaps they don't care about details like that. If they added a starter hogs head to an original 1915 engine -- ask if they still have the aluminum hogs head.

The wheels and tires are the 1925-1927 21 inch balloon. And they do not cost as much and the car rides smoother on them than the clinchers.

The Ruckstell if it works well is a nice accessory.

The distributor, finned valve cover, and down draft carb would make me want to ask if the rest of the engine was stock or if it had modifications.

The front seat does NOT have the metal end caps -- which a 1915 to near the end of 1916 production would not have those caps.

It appears to have the flair at the end of the splash apron -- so if those are original to the car it might have started life as a 1915-16 (assumes they were not 1917s that were cut to fit the 1915-16 style front fenders).

If you are in the market for a T -- I would recommend check it out. How much if any of it is actually 1915? And for some reason the radiator etc. just doesn't look correct to me. But that may just be the photos.


If anyone does go take a look, please let us know what you find out.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Friday, April 18, 2014 - 06:21 pm:

Thanks guys! I appreciate the input. Yeah, definitely looking for something closer to correct, I think. I mean, I can overlook a distributor (my coupe had one) but it sounds as if this thing is a long way from where I want to bring it back to.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Friday, April 18, 2014 - 07:13 pm:

Unless the photos are distorted, to me, the body has some very funny geometry. The cowl does not look correct to me - it looks too long and too high. I don't see a bead on the cowl, at least on the passenger side. Driver's side - can't tell if that is a bead or a reflection.

Also, the tub looks larger than a 1915-22 roadster tub.

Basically, to me it looks like a 1924/25 roadster body with a homemade cowl married to a 1914-22 trunk. (If it were a 1923 roadster body, there would have been no need to re-do the cowl.) Also, the trunk appears to sit further back compared to a 1914-22. Maybe the body is sitting further back than normal due to the long cowl or because it is an early trunk married to a later body.

Another indication that it is a 1924/25 tub is the mounting bracket (pivot) for the top sits to far forward on the armrest. It's in the correct location for a 1923-25 one-man top, not a two man top. By the way, the car has a 1918-22 square iron two-man top.

I have a '17 roadster in the garage that I see nearly everyday. The geometry is the same as a '15 body so the Craigslist car body really looks strange to me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Friday, April 18, 2014 - 07:22 pm:

You are right, the back looks shortened compared to a 1915 runabout.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Spencer Vibert on Friday, April 18, 2014 - 07:48 pm:

Personally I would go get the 1914 roadster at model t haven because it needs less work and is only $6900


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Friday, April 18, 2014 - 10:47 pm:

I think the pin-up girl wind wing is the wrong one for 1915. :-) The car has some correct 1915 stuff, but you can't tell from the pictures what lurks beneath. I'd want to see the pedals, hogshead, springs, shackles, and other details. The ridiculous treatment of the engine and interior lead me to wonder what else is wrong with it. I assume this is a put-together '15 like mine. There's nothing wrong with that, but getting it closer to correct will take $$$$. I think the '13 runabout on eBay may be a better deal unless the bidding goes higher.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roar Sand on Friday, April 18, 2014 - 10:58 pm:

Danial,
My T has a "clown red" interior. The interior and top were in shabby shape when I bought it in 1957, and my dad renewed both. It wasn't a "just go out and buy the correct stuff" situation at the time, so he used what he had. Correct or not, my dad did it, so it is going to stay that way!
Don't take this the wrong way, I am just telling it from my side. No offense taken.
Roar


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Saturday, April 19, 2014 - 09:35 am:

Body looks home made. Radiator too. I don't care for it at any price. Pass.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Saturday, April 19, 2014 - 12:08 pm:

There aren't enough photos. Could it have been a cut off touring?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Sunday, April 20, 2014 - 11:42 am:

Just clicked on the link, the ad has been removed


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve McClelland on Sunday, April 20, 2014 - 09:03 pm:

It looks a little different than a true Henry Ford 1915....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By michael grady on Sunday, April 20, 2014 - 10:19 pm:

love that car Steve!


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