After all, if a NYC cop does anything wrong they are immediately tested for substance abuse. I for one think the mayor should submit a sample to the lab for testing.
Anyone who thinks this is a good idea has lost their mind:
That link drew a blank for me.
Try again, it worked fine for me.
You'd be surprised at how many people are for getting rid of the horses and many of them scream abuse. I'm for leaving them alone and I don't believe the abuse tales. It's my opinion that the mayor wants to empty the stables and free up some prime real estate but he's a sneaky s.o.b. and won't say why he's really against them. This guy has also developed a habit early on. That is he won't return with an answer for a problem he's created.
It never ceases to amaze me that when some folks ascend to power they loose all---if they had any----common sense.
He just wants to take all the fun out of life and spread misery where ever he goes....
OK, it worked this time.
Maybe I've lost my mind, but the idea of an electric-powered conveyance in the park, rather than horse-drawn, doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.
Whoever thinks that vehicle is "an homage" to an earlier time, with a body shape that "reflects and celebrates an era that's of amazing historical significance to this city" is the one who has lost his mind. That particular vehicle is butt-ugly.
I think the idea of no horses is just plain silly. But I will give credit where it is due. That "car" does not look half bad to me. Just needs a bed instead of all them seats.
Electric would be fun to drive to.
I wonder how many of these $175,000.00 beauties they will need to purchase in order to ferry the 40 million visitors around the park.
From my north property line for 3/4 mile is a lake chuck full of bass----and water lilies it was given to the Oregon land use conservatory by I suspect our former city leader. The far end of the lake was developed by him and lots probably went for 40 to 60K probably ten lots. Now I am stuck with some green folk checking the lake for invasive species four times a year and the lilies have taken over the lake so you cant fish it.
The games greedy folk play tend to tick you off.
Horseshite! For all those idiots know those horses might like working and having a purpose like many animals and people do. You know they are well cared for and taken out of service at a certain age.
Looks like Henry Ford predicted it, almost 106 years ago:
So, we're talking about what is arguably the world's most important city and that's what's on the mayor's front burner. Oh, boy.
Then, there's the other thing: They're trying to replace a romantic, round-the-park carriage with something equally romantic. But that butt-ugly monstrosity looks more like a Post-Depression era coal truck than a turn of the century horseless carriage. For that kind of money, they could have come up with something resembling Stanley Steamer's Mountain car.
The reason for a ride around the park is to do it in a carriage. That jackass mayor showed his hand when he was campaigning and the big time cidiots voted him in anyway. Horses have been pulling carriages for hundreds even thousands of years. They're born and trained to do it. It's a BS green type of travel and a good team, properly cared for and trained right has a purpose. Horses can become very lethargic when put out to pasture and a lot of them die prematurely. And that dumbchit mayor ought to know the owners of the horses take excellent care of them because those animals are their bread and butter. If he's really worried about them and is so hellbent on passing laws have him do semi-annual inspections to assure proper care is taken of the animals. Insist on correct diet and the farriers log their visits to assure proper hoof inspections and maintenance. Insist on putting date of birth tattoos and only let them pull for a certain number of years. A lot can be done to regulate how the horses are used and treated for a lot less then a fleet of those ugly vehicles. How did a city that prides itself in it's art, it's forward thinking and it's diversity be so damn stupid? Even people from Iowa show more intelligence.
Oh alright the crack about the Iowegians was uncalled for but, it's been a long winter, and at this point even a good fistfight would be welcome, just to break the monotony.
How green are the electric charging stations? Are the coal fired? Oil fired? Atomic powered?
Aint this the same dingbat that outlawed big drink cups but forgot to outlaw refills??? :>0
Typical IDIOT! After the city goes totally broke and people just start to realize what incomp1tent people they have put in office, hope a movement starts to never elect these sort of people again. Realize this sounds like politics but DUMB is DUMB.
Mack, no, the people of New York have switched dingbats....
Frankly Scarlet,I don't give a damn! I have seen the Stanley Mountain in use and there ain't nothing like the real thing.On the other hand it's not my job to care/bitch about NY! Bud in Wheeler.
New York City has never, nor will ever, be anymore important to me then any other city in this or any other country.
Ain't Progressivism Great!
I will have to say, New York and the world suffered a great tragedy on 9-11 and that cant be fixed and shouldn't be forgotten. But far as my opinion of the city, I aint lost anything there and really think if there are any smart people there, they would leave the place.
But if they decided they dont need that electric "car", send it on down here. I will put a flat bed on it and drive the heck out of it.
30 mph would be fast enough to get me to town for breakfast and the post office.Maby even haul some firewood. :>)
I would like to know more about the wheels on the thing.they are made to look like firetruck wood spokes but I doubt they are wood.
I believe the reason most complain about this is due to the unreasonable power so many in office today wield. If your leaders don't care for light blue houses and you happen to live in one you would then complain. The real story isn't about NYC but rather the loss of personal freedoms because someone in power objects. Today, the horses, tomorrow, the antique car, the next day, your wood stove, next, insert whatever brings you joy because you live in a free nation and can.
This type power grab must be stopped everywhere and at all cost. The real problem isn't the horses but rather the horses assess.
Things must be really good in New York if having horses drawn carriages is the important enough to warrant the mayor's attention. Horses must be an important voting block. Who knew??
They can send them to Las Vegas. We just got back from there. They are proposing to have horse drawn carriages in Las Vegas. It is much more humane to use them in the climate of New York than in Las Vegas. They have a stipulation that the horses are not to be worked in weather over 90 degrees F. So I guess they will use them for about 3 weeks per year.
The fact is that the cities of New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Detroit often carry enough electoral votes to ruin a presidential election. The behavior of the mayor of New York is to punish those who enjoy a horse drawn carriage ride around the park and make them have a more peasant - like experience in a fake antique bus.
It has nothing to do with being "humane".
Royce, you and I are in complete agreement on this. I wonder what all the bleeding hearts would do if the world financial system failed? I promise they would eat those same horses they claim to care so deeply about.
I think the Mayor of NYC has been hanging out with the Mayor of Toronto, Canada, Mr. Ford. Why do government agencies 'cave into' the special interest groups? I guess that means no horseback mounted policemen in NYC, too. Soon, every law enforcement agency with horseback police patrols will be out of business.
"The fact is that the cities of New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Detroit often carry enough electoral votes to ruin a presidential election."
The last time a presidential election was decided by an electoral majority that did not include a voter majority went in favor of George W. Bush? Is that what you mean by "enough electoral votes to ruin a presidential election?"
Not that majorities should necessarily determine elections.....
I don't mind a little political rant. As a matter of fact it's become a new hobby for me. However it's still a darn shame the world has to suffer with jackasses like New York Cities' new Mayor. I've become very tired of rich left wing special interest groups that buy governments and attempt to destroy this country in the name of Progressivism. Then when people like Harry Reid are able to open their evil mouth and spew the ignorance that man craps out of his brain on the Senate floor it's time to stop the bleeding and put creeps like him and his ilk out of business. At least once a day I go to my closet to get clean clothes, look at my Army uniform hanging on the bar and feel my heart sink because I sacrificed so much for guys like those in our current administration. Mrs Obama, for the first time in my life I'm uncomfortable saying I'm proud to live in this country. And now I'll apologize to the forum for my political rant and go lay by my dish.
Have to agree with Charlie...It's been "out there" more than once that the real reason is to grab the prime real estate for development. Mike G, you're pretty much spot on. The corruption in this country is out of control. Ed Mezvinsky, who is a liberal Dem. Congressman crook who only spent less than 5 years in prison for a $10Million ponzy scheme is the father in law of Chelsea Clinton, of which her and her husband just managed to buy a $10.5M NYC apartment, yet they're only in their early 30's....wonder where all that money came from? Yet so many people are pushing for crook Hillary for '16 Pres. bid. God help us all.
The other problem is, the Right's are almost too conservative, and the Left's are too liberal for any good. This is probably why you're losing your pride. No apology needed.
I don't have a horse in this race! KGB
a few links:
Question: it looks like that thing will hold at most 6 passengers plus a driver and maybe a guide at the stated production cost passengers would have to pay $50 a head for a 10 minute ride going constantly 10 - 12 hours a day and I still don't think they would make a profit? Maybe my math is fuzzy!
Cost listing right now is $32.50 a head for a 45 minute ride. Limit 4 passengers per carriage. You know what? That doesn't seem like a bad deal to me. I thought it would be a lot more. Maybe it's more in tourist season but then when is it not tourist season in New York City?
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Terry, you should read our news more often. Rob Ford isn't exactly known for caving to special interest groups. Yes, he certainly has made the news in the last number of months, but it wasn't for catering to special interest groups
I heard about this on the radio a few days ago and thought it sounded good. I hadn't seen that abomination then, I was assuming they would use something like:
President Taft had a Baker like this one.
Do you need a huge truck to cart around enough batteries to power carriage rides for a day?
Here's a YouTube video of the thing in action. -It isn't pretty. -Between programs like this and the new, citywide, 25-MPH speed limit, the new mayor is unafraid of controversy. -
I suppose it would help if I actually posted the link:
I wonder if the way I feel looking at that electric thing is how streetcar enthusiasts feel when they see those tourist buses made up to look sort of like streetcars?
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Years ago, a friend and I, while on a cross-country road trip, stopped and got a room, washed up
and walked into town to get a good meal at a popular "cowboy" bar in this small town. We ate and
caught the attention of some local girls who were hustling us up. As the four of us sat at our table
and tried to talk above the noise, what seemed like a fight broke out up front by the door. The place
was packed, so we could not see what was going on, but after a while the commotion came our way
and it was two guys with a bus tub full of money, taking $20 bets that one of them was going to #@!
in his hand and then eat it. Needless to say, I/we were flabbergasted by what we just heard.
The guys moved on past us soliciting bets and adding to their pile of dough, returning back past us
to perform their stunt up in the area where it all began.
Now, I wasn't able to witness the "event", but I did hear the collective groan of those who did to confirm
it did go down.
I have never seen humanity the same way since that evening. Government and politics are just like reliving
that moment over and over and over again, only it's not those other guys being forced to eat #@!