Well, its been about 3 weeks since i acquired my first T and have been spending every non-working/sleeping moment i can tinkering and getting used to the nuances of a car of this age. What great fun! The car sat for 4 years so i have been in the process of all the basic maintenance items that one would normally check, so far so good. The question that i have is how noisy is reverse compared to the forward gears in a T? Most modern transmissions i know are very noisy because of the way the gears are cut for reverse, but it seems extra loud in the T. I checked the band and the drum, and it all seems fine so is this normal, or should i be concerned?
You can compare forward and reverse sounds at the end of this.
I've never noticed any difference.
Reverse can be growly if it has some wear, nothing to panic about.
Thanks Steve, love that vid. Now I'm worried because it doesn't seem as quite as yours.
Ed, you would think that reverse would have the least wear wouldn't you? Maybe
I'm just over-thinking this.
I always thought reverse was noisier and I've been through 3 T's so far.
Charlie, i hope you're right. being this is my first, i don't know if its normal or not.
In my opinion it's normal. All 3 of mine had a whiney noise in rev. very different from low. Drive & enjoy.
The BRASS FUSHING FLANGE in all triple gears are worn out. This causes the steel triple gears to ride directly on the fly wheel making a loud squeal when backing up. I have people bring me transmissions from all over and I have never seen a triple gear yet that had any flange left. I will try to find time tomorrow to take pictures of the brass triple gear bushings that I have removed just recently Not one had a flange left.
Thanks Dave, look forward to the pics to see if this my problem. Greatly appreciated.
Listen with your headphones - all this whining is typical.
Pay attention at the very beginning:
Car is a real collage:
beginners - also, sounds like an exhaust leak:
A little louder but still typical.
Same car. (At the end of the video, the the pinion is jumping the ring gear in the rear end.)
Erik, mine is more typical of vid 4, but not as drastic as 5!...I don't understand how the trans seems to be fine in all its functions but seems to be aggravated in reverse.
Mine makes no sound at all in forward gears but it does whine a bit in reverse. I figured it was normal and I'm not going to worry for the little bit of backing up I do.
The more worn out a Model T transmission is the less noise it makes. They whine when tolerances are tight, less so when they are sloppy.
In a period writing of using Ford Ts in WWI for ambulances, one writer tells of avoiding using reverse due to the noise when at the dressing station.
I live nearby, probably w/in 20 mi.I have no plans for tomorrow afternoon. I'd be happy to come by and look at your T. Weather permitting I'll drive over in my 27 coupe. Send me a P.M.(bob-the-bldr at comcast dot net) or respond via this thread w/ your contact.
John, the most important thing to do would be to check for endplay in the rear axles. Jack up both sides and pull in and out on the rear wheels. There should be no noticeable endplay. If it moves in about 1/16 inch or more, you need to pull the rear axle assembly and check your thrust washers. Worn thrust washers will cause a misalignment in the ring and pinion gears and lead to loss of the transmission brake. This will make loud noises but will usually be loud in all gears and most noticeable when turning to the left. If you don't find excessive endplay, drive the car and enjoy it. If the noise gets increasingly loud over a short period, then is the time to get excited about finding the carse.
Bob, unfortunately i have to work tomorrow but that was very nice of you to offer your help, i greatly appreciate it. Maybe we could do it another time, i would love to see your car.
Norman, just checked the rear axles this weekend while installing new inner seals and repacking the bearings everything seems very tight with no excessive amounts of play to be found. The rear was rebuilt by Edward Stein of Southampton Ma. back in 86 when the car was restored, and I'm praying he installed the new style thrust washers at that time. I've heard he's very good at what he does, so fingers crossed.
Love the open door Steve.