A friend wanted me to offer an opinion.
Nice straight body.
It looks like a pretty nice truck. It has an auxiliary transmission, but does not appear to have auxiliary brakes. If the "rebuilt original motor and transmission" are reasonably fresh it's probably not too far off on price. If you're giving an opinion to a friend who's really interested in buying it, I'd suggest to him or her that if it does not have auxiliary brakes, the budget should include adding them.
The pics were taken at a body shop, and the body work looks to be professional quality. That work is worth quite a bit. If it runs and drives well, I'd say the price is about right.
p.s. -- If it overheats while driving, or if it needs new tires, the buyer can figure on spending about $1,000 for each of those problems.
What Mike said. The bed, even without the wood on it, would cost you $500 or more. But the ghastly engine color should be worth a discount.
If you started with a TT that was rusted out and had to start from scratch, I'll guaranty you would have more than the asking price in it when finished. Everyone knows what it costs to have a engine and trans rebuilt if you can't do it yourself. Good clean cabs, doors, bed frames, and windshield frames are difficult to come by, and an aux trans just adds more value. If I wanted a TT and didn't want the hassle and expense of doing a total restoration, I'd be on my way to Hannibal, right now. It is wasted time to nit-pick at the color of the engine and steering wheel spider. Those things take only minutes to correct.
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$6500 seems like a darn good price, especially for a Deluxe TT. Heck, all that's left is the fun and easy stuff. I wish deals like this were available semi-close to me when I had some $$$.
Looks like it will need a radiator and new wiring. Rebuilt engines can mean a lot of different things from adding rings, laping valves and pulling shims on the rods all the way to a true rebuild job with bore, babbit, valves and so on. Price does seem reasonable and who knows, maybe negotiable.
Nice looking truck for sure but it doesn't look like a '26 to me aside from the coil box. Looks more like a '24 or '25 unless the trucks were different somehow.
Dave -- The '26-7 TT's came with fenders and hoods like the '24-5 ones.
I would want to know who and what was done to the engine. If it has new Babbitt etc, do they or can they show receipts.
Some '26 trucks I have seen had the old style coil box in the cab and I think this one was changed if you look closely at the firewall you will see the fitments for an in the cab coil box
I'm pretty sure (not positive) that the TT's never were equipped with the engine mounted '26/'27 coil box. All, including '26 and '27 models, used the dash mounted coil box coil box I think, as well as the '24/'25 fenders and hoods as Mike says.
And we just found out that George Clipner is Steve's ho ;)
If the engine was just re-built I am assuming the radiator would have been rodded and repaired so why the water pump?
Henry -- I think you're correct about the coil box.
What's type is the auxiliary transmission?
I doubt if we can determine the type of auxiliary transmission with the information available. All we have to work with is the photo that shows the shifter.
Having said that, the shifter lever and knob look to me like a Muncie, but the base where it goes into the unit does not. Any other guesses?
Henry you are right. The 26-27 TT's never had the coil box mounted on the engine unless it was sold as a Chassis only. These had the different firewall that resembled the improved cars.
I just noticed that this truck has a year model 27 steering column. The vaporizer carb was never used on the factory steel cab TT's. I'm not sure if it was optional on the chassis version though.
Fred, what's the difference on 1927 steering columns?
I'll take a picture Rodger and post it tomorrow. I have one of each out of the trucks so you can see the difference.
The 26-27 steering column has a square flange where it mounts on the firewall.
This truck is equipped with a cast iron Warford transmission with the frame brace and the shortening castings for the driveshaft and the truck radius rods.
I drove the truck now it has only one half of the steering wheel rim with it. It has no rear view mirror and that made it difficult to manage, along with only one half of the steering wheel rim!
It started right up and ran. I had a hard time with the Warford, I just couldn't get the hang of it. I have one in my roadster but I don't hardly ever shift it. The motor ran hot. He said the radiator had been rodded out. I wonder if the waterpump was the cause of the overheating?
Rodding out 90-year-old radiators usually doesn't enable them to cool the engine. After thousands of heating and cooling cycles, the fins break away from the tubes and a sufficient amount of heat can't transfer from the tubes to the air.
Here Rodger, The one with the round flange is the 26 and the other is the 27. Notice the difference in the throttle rods.
I have never ran across an "Improved" ('26-'27) model with a round flange - the one you are showing as a '27 is indeed that but the difference in the throttle lever on the square flange column you are showing was it had been installed with a Vaporizer carburetor - the round flange column is the standard issue throttle rod location.
Steve, the round flange is found in most 1926 TT's at least until the model year change in August.
The square flange you see is from one of the last 1927(Nov) Enclosed Cabs that came with a standard NH with a linkage that ran over the engine. I should have explained this better. If you look hard down the throttle rod (on the square flange) you will see the hole ( with cotter pin) that was formally used for the NH through the block linkage. Early 1927 models ( those built after Aug 1926 will have the Throttle rod lever lower on the rod where the small hole still exists.
If you look in your parts book for 3531 and 3531b. You can see the change in late 1926 (1927 model) that after this only the vaporizer style was available even though the NH was still used. I don't see that the old part was continued past 1926.
The TT's and the cars had some odd differences and this seem to be one of them. Remember that after production ceased for the cars at the Rouge, Highland Park still managed to produce trucks for another 7 months with what was left in stock. This means there must have been a few special parts used for only the TT's in the end.
New to me Fred - never have seen any NH linkage that went over the top of the engine but that of a Vaporizer ?
I believe part number 3531B was a bolt-on piece - see photo - although the parts book doesn't show it. I have my Gramp's '24 C-Cab Express which, according to my Father, Gramp's had a Vaporizer installed soon after they became available at Wm. O. M'Kay Ford in Seattle, where he bought the truck new. He was known to be a bit thrifty - old country Italian immigrant.
Fred - I'm interested in what you said about TT production continuing for 7 months at the Highland Park Plant after car production ended.
Could you please advise where you found that out or if you have any documentation for it.
I don't doubt that you are correct, but just curious about it.
I'll have to remember Where this information is found. I should have wrote it down as I though this was common knowledge, anyway I have it in my files. Basically when Ford moved into the Rouge with the car production in 1925 the trucks stayed in Highland park. Trucks were still be built at HP while the Rouge was being retooled for the Model A and the AA. A good book "Model T Ford" shows car production ending in May 1927. Several Authors have touched on this I believe the are Ford Bryant, Charles Sorensen, Mike Muller, James Wagner, Bruce McCalley, Lorin Sorensen, Mark Theobald to name a few. I have and have seen many TTs built all the way up until December 27 when the Model A's came out.
I need to write down this information as I should have. I'll do that and send it to you.
I have been researching the TT's for years now, traveling up to 400 miles to see special ones. Collecting every book and Newspaper clippings I can find as well as working with Ford Benson Research in Michigan.
I'm trying to get a flow to show a history of the TT's from 1917 to 27 and this information is very obscure and difficult to find. I still have some holes but I think I know where to find out what need now.
Hi Fred - Thanks for the information. I have a TT, a '25 C Cab with the Express Bed. The engine is original, I think, and dates to August 5, 1924. When I got it, it had no accessories on it, it was just plain stock.
Anyway, I'm very interested in TT information. Did you mention that you're working on a book about TT's? If, so, I want one!!! It seems all the other Model T books, including Bruce's "Model T Ford", don't really give a lot of information on TT's, and perhaps the time has come for more on that topic specifically.
I'll look forward to anything you can find on this. BTW, If I can be of any help to you in filling in the remaining "holes" you have, please let me know.