It has been about two months since we bought the '27 for Cindy. The prior owner had left gas in the tank for over ten years and we had a clean up project on our hands. It involved removing the tank, cleaning and coating. New needle valve & cleaning of the carb, etc. I had the day off work today & got the gas tank back in (with the help of Greg Griffin) and the Vaporizer installed... Did a quick oil change and then hit the starter. After a little choke and gas adjustment, it fired right up
Congrats!..She's a beauty. Many happy miles ahead.
Bill, nice looking car. Someone did a very nice restoration on it. Paint color looks very correct.
A veddy classy machine. That the '27 went back to an unpainted, polished metal radiator and lamp-trim was indeed an improvement. The compound curve at the lower, forward corner of the door is a very nice design touch and the paint has just the right amount of satin in it. Wire wheels just look "right" on these later cars, don't they?
Looks good. If it runs good, bring it to San Diego in July for a fun tour. I would like to meet it in person! You are close enough you could even drive it down without a trailer
The apples do not fall far from the tree !
I did a little more tinkering tonight. Got the new fan belt installed & ran the engine again. It sure sounds good! I put the floor boards back in & it looks like a real car again. I'll try to take it out for a drive tomorrow after work... darn job gets in the way of the car's progress
Although, I've heard on this forum that the white walls aren't correct, they sure are "purty".
I don't usually go for the "improved cars" but I really dig yours Bill.
She is beautiful.
I actually DROVE the Coupe! Runs good but it keeps throwing off the fan belt. The car has a Berg's water pump and an accessory idler pulley: See photo. The 36" leather belt comes off. It just barely fits... may be too tight? Any advice? I have it adjusted as loose as it will go.
Use a modern ribbed belt.
The leather belt was all Dave had in stock at that 36" length... I ran a leather one on the '15 with a water pump for two years without any problems. Keep the ideas coming please.
Great looking coupe
You may find a modern ribbed belt of proper length at any modern pats store, but the obvious alternative is to try running it without any pump - maybe the pump was added "just in case" when the car was restored - and maybe the radiator will cool just as good without it.
ONE poly vee belt will be the last belt you ever buy.......
My '27 Tudor also has a Berg's pump.
The belt number is PJ360.
May not be the answer but I just went through this with a belt made by John Knox of Chicago. My belt would jump off just by cranking it. Called John and he said it was either my pulley alignment or it was his fault. He told me to check pulleys with a straight edge and they aligned perfectly. Next he had me lay belt on floor alongside a yardstick and half way down the stick it veered off by almost two inches. John said he must have cut the leather wrong and sent me a new one and the problem was solved, good man to deal with makes all type leather belts.
Thank you for the suggestions. I may look into a modern belt. I had purchased the shorter belt (rubber) as I originally was going to take off the Berg's pump. It was locked up from ten years of storage. I loosened the packing nut & the pump freed right up. That's why I'm trying it first with the long belt. So I'm wondering... will the system work without the Berg's pump just sitting idle not connected to the belt? I took one off of my '15 and it looks like the water would bypass. I'm just wondering for testing. Put the short belt around the pulley & fan only & let the pump just sit there. If it runs cool, then I would just remove the Berg's pump.
I'm not sure if anyone is still listening, but...
I tried the car with the shorter 32" Gates belt turning only the fan (water pump sitting idle). It ran around the block a few times before the MotoMeter pegged at the top. I guess the Berg's pump doesn't bypass water very well when it's not turning.
The good news is that the Gates belt did NOT come off. So, my next attempt will be to locate a 36" Gates belt & try that. (local suppliers are all out right now) We're making progress!
More important: Cindy got her first ride in HER car tonight! I need to get the bugs worked out so she may start driving it
I wonder if the pump is a Band aid applied to a cooling system that needs fixing. That's often the case when a ninety-year-old radiator loses its ability to radiate. Decades of vibration cause the fins to come loose from the tubes. The cure is a recore or a new Berg's radiator. A Model T with a good radiator and a clean cooling system doesn't need a pump.
Gates and Goodyear make the kind of belts that you could use.
Over here, its a belt used commonly in the car assembly plants, so they are plentiful. We buy them from BMG Bearing man group, but i'm not sure which companies have them on that side.
If it will help, I can have a look on the web and see if I can find someone close to you...We have an office in PA and the Mech Eng there might know.
Hope this helps,
Steve: I think the core is in great shape. This car had a ground up restoration and was stored with anti freeze in it.
Justin: Thanks for the offer. I do have the Gates part number and am told that they will be in by the end of the week.
Update: No matter what I tried, the leather belt just kept slipping off. I purchased a Gates Micro-V AT K060355 belt from the local auto parts store. It's a six rib modern belt measuring 13/16 x 36 1/8". Running inside out, it stays on and turns the fan and water pump with no problems. Cindy & I took the Coupe out for a drive to the gas station and dinner tonight. Its first drive! It's a real car now
There are normally two things that runs a belt off.
No. 1. The pulleys have lost there crown and need recut.
No. 2. One or more are out of alignment.
Flanged pulleys, and belt guide's are not needed.
I will bet the crank pulley is flat!
What a great set of Model T's. Now maybe they will have a Baby T and that will make three!
Bill.......no need to run that poly vee belt inside out.
I run those on three cars, vees down, they grab like crazy.......